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Wowbagger

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Racism in football
« on: October 14, 2019, 11:13:26 pm »
I thought there was a thread dealing with this topic, but I couldn't find it. Mods: please merge if it exists.

England played an away match against Bulgaria this evening. The match was stopped twice because of racist chants from the Bulgarian home crowd and, according to reports in the Graun, was in danger of being called off all together. Apparently some 500 Bulgarian supporters were ejected from the ground at half time.

England won 6 - 0 which was fitting.
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Jaded

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Re: Racism in football
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2019, 11:18:38 pm »
Yes, there was at a time the possibility that the game would be called off. Who wins then?

Still, gangs in black shirts firing up Nazi salutes at a football match pale into insignificance when lined up against Fararge, Rees-Mogg and Johnson.
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Re: Racism in football
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2019, 11:39:32 pm »
I was surprised to hear it wasn't the England fans being racist, tbh.
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Re: Racism in football
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2019, 11:58:18 pm »
I was surprised to hear it wasn't the England fans being racist, tbh.

I think England fans being racist these days would be some very confused people.
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Re: Racism in football
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2019, 12:10:20 am »
I was surprised to hear it wasn't the England fans being racist, tbh.

I think England fans being racist these days would be some very confused people.

It's confusing enough when England win 6-0.
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Re: Racism in football
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2019, 09:26:08 am »
I was surprised to hear it wasn't the England fans being racist, tbh.

I think England fans being racist these days would be some very confused people.
No, they just sit there and complain about foreigners being racist while signing ditties such as "Ten German bombers" and "No surrender to the IRA". Clearly it's a different order of magnitude to the events in Bulgaria, however, it does illustrate a certain little englander attitude that seems to be becoming more prevalent.

Besides, racism in football doesn't need logic. When Romelu Lukaku complained about ultras from the opposition team making monkey noises at him, the Inter ultras (fans of his own team) wrote him a letter saying to stop making a fuss as it was perfectly normal to make monkey noises to try to put the opposition off and they would be doing it to their opposition!

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Re: Racism in football
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2019, 11:22:27 am »
I don't know about Bulgaria specifically but there are overtly neo-Nazi networks throughout much of Eastern Europe which make the BNP or EDL look like a garden party.
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Re: Racism in football
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2019, 01:40:55 pm »
There was a lot of shouting from the moral high ground last night after the game.  (I'd like the domestic football authorities clamp down in the same way on both sides of the border, but I doubt they will)

I'd like to think this will trigger some real action by UEFA but I doubt it.   It would result in admission of a real problem and their tolerance of racism in football for years.  If UEFA are not anti-english, they certainly keep england well down the list of countries to listen to.

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Re: Racism in football
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2019, 08:03:04 pm »
Still, gangs in black shirts firing up Nazi salutes at a football match pale into insignificance when lined up against Fararge, Rees-Mogg and Johnson.
Jaded wins the prize for the most ludicrous description of Boris Johnson toyesterday.  :facepalm: And the most opportunistic insertion of anti-Boris sentiment!

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Re: Racism in football
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2019, 08:10:43 pm »
There was a lot of shouting from the moral high ground last night after the game.  (I'd like the domestic football authorities clamp down in the same way on both sides of the border, but I doubt they will)

I'd like to think this will trigger some real action by UEFA but I doubt it.   It would result in admission of a real problem and their tolerance of racism in football for years.  If UEFA are not anti-english, they certainly keep england well down the list of countries to listen to.
It was refreshing to see Ian Wright really speaking his mind about this last night. He was hugely critical of past action by the FA and UEFA. I'm not a big fan of his, but he came across well despite an obvious great deal of anger. ITV's anchor-man came across rather Alan Partridge - clearly out of his depth, poor chap!

UEFA have announced action against Bulgaria, but of course we don't yet know the severity. I am optimistic that this could be a sea-change; the match was very nearly stopped.

[They are also acting against England for some trivial infringements of odd rules! As you say, no-one seems to like us :P ]
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Re: Racism in football
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2019, 10:40:04 pm »
Bulgaria was the result of the first wave of 'Balkanisation'.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkanization

The raison d'etre of these ever-dividing states is to express national identity, and the purity of some historic or imagined race. We've had loads more national football teams over the last 30 years, as Yugoslavia and the USSR have shattered into pieces. We've also seen one less, as the BRD and GDR have combined into Germany. The UK is unusual in not needing to break into pieces to have national teams.

By rights we should have an EU team by now. England is essentially a sort of Commonwealth team, drawing its talents from immigrants from the former Empire. I suppose we'll have a lot of players with Eastern European surnames in a few years time.

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Re: Racism in football
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2019, 10:41:28 pm »
Still, gangs in black shirts firing up Nazi salutes at a football match pale into insignificance when lined up against Fararge, Rees-Mogg and Johnson.
Jaded wins the prize for the most ludicrous description of Boris Johnson toyesterday.  :facepalm: And the most opportunistic insertion of anti-Boris sentiment!

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Racism displayed in black shirts with salutes is fairly obvious, don’t you think. There are other types of racism.
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Re: Racism in football
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2020, 10:01:21 pm »
Question really...

As a Liverpool fan (and just speaking for myself), I don't like Raheem Stirling because:

a) he left Liverpool to join Man City
b) the way he left
c) his habit of falling over to gain a foul, which even when he did it playing for Liverpool was not something you could be proud of

He may have developed into a better player at City, and he may be a wonderful person, but I still don't like him for the above reasons.

Yet, it seems any criticism of him is always regarded as racist... so am I supposed to like him, even when I don't like him?
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Re: Racism in football
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2020, 06:47:14 am »
Question really...

As a Liverpool fan (and just speaking for myself), I don't like Raheem Stirling because:

a) he left Liverpool to join Man City

He has the right to ply his trade where he likes. It's nothing to do with you. Perhaps it's because
he's a black man earning shed loads of money more than you? :P

Re: Racism in football
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2020, 08:48:07 am »
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Re: Racism in football
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2020, 09:39:41 am »
Eating's a serious business. Don't bollocks around wagging your tail.

StevieB

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Re: Racism in football
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2020, 08:50:55 pm »
... Perhaps ....

Mmm, you’re saying "Perhaps" it is financial jealousy coupled with underlying racial prejudice... (this is not going well, but thanks for the JCB!)

I should be clear - this is not some deep hatred burning me up inside. I wish Raheem STERLING no harm, and would not support anyone who did.

I could hide in the crowd and say "Well, 100,000 other Liverpool fans feel exactly as I do..." but I was trying to be honest and rational about my, admittedly irrational, feelings.

Yes, I do think footballers earn a tad too much (that might change!).... but I don't really care what Man City players earn (although interesting they have been done for lying about their accounts!). I am happy with what Liverpool players earn (except possibly for Lovern based on his contribution to the team this year). I think it is hilarious what Sanches earns for NOT playing for Man Utd!

In the past I have defended what players earn - it is a meritocracy - they are tested every week and the whole world watches and judges their output - what other profession can you say that about?

Yes, I can see young STERLING’s move to City was a good deal for him, and legitimate even if financially motivated... the days of Gerard and Carragher are long gone! However, he did say it was about silver (not gold), implying he was never going to win anything playing for Liverpool - not endearing!

Incidentally... I remember in the golden early days of Brendon Rodgers there was the arrogance to release a film of the team shot during pre-season: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wujTSELwsPA
That was ONE of Rodger's weaknesses (IMO) - he always had to be in total control - was he unaware or did he not care about humiliating one of the most talented young players in front of team-mates to make a point? So, in this respect, I don't blame STERLING telling Rodgers where he could put it when the time came!

I think what troubles me is the thought of a world where it is off-limits to criticise a player because of colour (or whatever), no matter their performance, style of play or behaviour. (It is bad for the players for one thing.)

I am not defending the media if they overly criticise or pick excessively on a player, which might well have been the case with STERLING as part of the England squad - it is not something I followed closely. I was also vaguely aware of the backlash to that coverage, which again might be justified. (I see the media as too capable of invention and exaggeration so I tend to avoid their roller-coaster ride of sensationalism.)

Anyway, it prompted me to think: NOT EVERYONE WHO DISLIKES HIM DOES SO ON RACIST GROUNDS. Is it not possible?
It may be self-flagellation, but it still hurts