Author Topic: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK  (Read 1036 times)

SoreTween

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Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« on: September 16, 2020, 11:40:37 am »
Apparently is has become illegal to ship bikes from Europe with the UK brake arrangement:

https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-live-blog-16-september-2020-277297 <- scroll down to 09:23
https://twitter.com/davearthur/status/1305944776932552704

This has to be bolx isn't it?  If it were true it would surely get killed on discrimination grounds in minutes.  Imagine telling a rider with poor motor control on the left side they can only have left/front brakes.  Front brakes require finesse, Cerebral Palsy or stroke sufferers (to name just two conditions) might have that on one side but not the other.

[Edited to add 'from Europe']
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2020, 11:43:48 am »
Presumably this also affects Ireland, Cyprus, Malta (not to mention a whole load of other places they probably don't ship to anyway)?
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Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2020, 11:46:32 am »
I read this as a UK restriction.

Rose bikes say they are going to serial production - so will only setup bikes on one way. Their majority market is EU, so that will be with the EU brake setup.

If the UK is insisting on UK brake setup, then Rose can't ship.
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FifeingEejit

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Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2020, 11:59:01 am »
Bikes need to meet the BS standard when sold in(to) the UK.
The age old dodge was to not fit pedals so you didn't have to fit a full complement of reflectors and bell.

Even though Rose are based in Germany any sales to the UK will probably still count as sold in the UK due to distance selling harmonisation.
The obvious way round is to have an EU address you can buy the bike from and then import it yourself at which point the sales restrictions don't count.

Kim

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Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2020, 12:24:46 pm »
Is this just bikes, or are they stopping selling to the UK entirely?
Careful, Kim. Your sarcasm's showing...

Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2020, 12:30:30 pm »
I would have thought BS standard would only apply to a UK seller. If I bought an electrical item from Germany, I wouldn't expect it have a UK plug.

Rose could disconnect the brakes, isn't there some amount of self assembly needed with mail order bikes anyway, eg fitting pedals, front wheel etc? Ie they don't arrive ready to ride. Yes, modern brakes with left and right handed levers and "aero" cable routing makes it more complicted.

SoreTween

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Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2020, 12:32:36 pm »
Just bikes. 
If you go to https://www.rosebikes.com/ it defaults to US and bikes are listed in the top menu.  Switch it to UK and bikes are removed from the menu.
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quixoticgeek

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Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2020, 12:35:08 pm »

So, can I offer a relay position?

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Kim

  • Timelord
Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2020, 12:42:43 pm »
Just bikes.

Phew.  They're a useful source of Sensible German Accessories™.

Bikes are just an inconvenience.  If you really want to buy one, you can find a way.
Careful, Kim. Your sarcasm's showing...

Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2020, 12:53:14 pm »
Do we reckon they sold many in the UK? I can't say I've seen many (any?) out and about, or talked about on forums etc.

Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2020, 12:55:45 pm »
The only thing new here is Rose deciding that the UK market for the limited number of complete bikes they supply isn’t worth it.
I know a shop/ company that imports complete big-name bikes. They have always had to reverse the braking  before sale in the UK.
What the customer then does/ asks to have done post-purchase is up to the customer of course.

FifeingEejit

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Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2020, 01:19:29 pm »
I would have thought BS standard would only apply to a UK seller. If I bought an electrical item from Germany, I wouldn't expect it have a UK plug.

The later is also illegal if sold in the UK...


I tried reading the EU Directive, but my eyes glazed over faster than with the testing I'm meant to be doing.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A32011L0083

fuaran

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Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2020, 01:57:16 pm »
Do we reckon they sold many in the UK? I can't say I've seen many (any?) out and about, or talked about on forums etc.
Look like pretty decent bikes, but most models are quite expensive, especially with recent exchange rates.

Canyon seem to be more popular/cheaper, for mountain bikes anyway.

Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2020, 02:07:17 pm »
Do we reckon they sold many in the UK? I can't say I've seen many (any?) out and about, or talked about on forums etc.
I imagine it was relatively few, or it would have been worth while finding a way to continue.  Their own brand electric bikes seem well regarded, I know three people who've chosen them. 

IJL

Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2020, 02:25:51 pm »
They have or had a showroom in Mansfield, I went for a look around in the new year and it was all in darkness and had been burgled and all the stock stolen a week or so earlier.
Maybe Mansfield put them off the UK. 

Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2020, 04:10:38 pm »
Straight cucumber innit.
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Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2020, 04:17:12 pm »
They're screwed in the event of a no deal Brexit, as are we.  We'll need to pay SJSC twice as much for the same kit.
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quixoticgeek

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Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2020, 04:21:47 pm »
They're screwed in the event of a no deal Brexit, as are we.  We'll need to pay SJSC twice as much for the same kit.

Now now, that's not fair.

You can also pay twice the price for it from wiggle too...

J
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2020, 07:10:09 pm »
You've got an excellent career ahead of you as a freight forwarder sender of gifts to your friends and relations in the UK, QG. But you're going to need a bigger flat...
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quixoticgeek

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Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2020, 07:13:31 pm »
You've got an excellent career ahead of you as a freight forwarder sender of gifts to your friends and relations in the UK, QG. But you're going to need a bigger flat...

I just need to get someone in the UK to send me regular parcels of cadbury's dairy milk, bourbon creams, and extra mature cheddar...

J
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Mr Larrington

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Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2020, 07:17:43 pm »
I thought it always was illegal to sell, or even display, complete bikes with the brakes set up widdershins.
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FifeingEejit

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Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2020, 07:22:34 pm »
They're screwed in the event of a no deal Brexit, as are we.  We'll need to pay SJSC twice as much for the same kit.

Not noticed the price creeping up?

Of course with this fantastic FTD with the Japanese which it appears the UK is already planning on passing laws that will allow them to breach...
Madison as sole UK Distributor of Shimano gear will be able to charge exactly what Shimano want them to charge as a direct conversion from Yen with appropriate mark up applied.

4x what we used to before Shimano started attacking discounting.

citoyen

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Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2020, 08:07:01 pm »
Maybe Mansfield put them off the UK.

Mansfield would put me off the UK.
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Gattopardo

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Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2020, 08:23:51 pm »
You've got an excellent career ahead of you as a freight forwarder sender of gifts to your friends and relations in the UK, QG. But you're going to need a bigger flat...

I just need to get someone in the UK to send me regular parcels of cadbury's dairy milk, bourbon creams, and extra mature cheddar...

J

Would that be a care parcel?

quixoticgeek

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Re: Rose bikes stops selling to the UK
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2020, 08:24:40 pm »
Would that be a care parcel?

It would.

J
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