Author Topic: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire  (Read 1127 times)

Wowbagger

  • Dez's butler
    • Musings of a Gentleman Cyclist
Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« on: February 12, 2021, 08:11:36 am »
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/12/dramatic-discovery-links-stonehenge-to-its-original-site-in-wales?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

It seems that it isn’t just the Bluestones that come from Pembrokeshire, but the whole edifice was removed and rebuilt.

Fascinating stuff.
Eating's a serious business. Don't bollocks around wagging your tail.

Giraffe

  • I brake for Giraffes
Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2021, 09:07:49 am »
Now Wales will want Stonehenge returned - makes Elgin an easy job. "Rhowch nhw yn ôl yn union fel y daethoch o hyd iddynt, os gwelwch yn dda"
2x4: thick plank; 4x4: 2 of 'em.

T42

  • *** fool in a hurry
Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2021, 09:09:02 am »
Pembrokeshire was Irish, though, so that's OK.
I've dusted all those old bottles and set them up straight.

Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2021, 09:30:28 am »
Bloody travellers!
And Darkness and Decay and the Coronavirus held illimitable dominion over all.

Cudzoziemiec

  • Eating all the pies and drinking all the tea.
Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2021, 09:32:39 am »
Makes you wonder why. The Geoffrey of Monmouth Giants' Dance legend makes it sound like some sort of spoils of war; as if, say, the Prussians had dismantled the Arc de Triomphe in 1870 and transported it to Berlin (except that would have been relatively easy in comparison). I'm sure similar things have been done in modern times but I can't think of any details right now.
Faster than a walk, slower than a train, often slightly higher than a person. (David Byrne)

Mr Larrington

  • A bit ov a lyv wyr by slof standirds
  • Custard Wallah
    • Mr Larrington's Automatic Diary
Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2021, 09:51:43 am »
Makes you wonder why. The Geoffrey of Monmouth Giants' Dance legend makes it sound like some sort of spoils of war; as if, say, the Prussians had dismantled the Arc de Triomphe in 1870 and transported it to Berlin (except that would have been relatively easy in comparison). I'm sure similar things have been done in modern times but I can't think of any details right now.

Abu Simbel?  Ancient Egyptian wossname dismantled and moved to higher ground to avoid submersion under Lake Nasser.
External Transparent Wall Inspection Operative & Mayor of Mortagne-au-Perche
Satisfying the Bloodlust of the Masses in Peacetime

Pingu

  • Put away those fiery biscuits!
  • Mrs Pingu's domestique
    • the Igloo
Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2021, 09:52:34 am »
Now Wales will want Stonehenge returned - makes Elgin an easy job. "Rhowch nhw yn ôl yn union fel y daethoch o hyd iddynt, os gwelwch yn dda"

I suspect a few citizens of Moray would be happy with a relocation to the warmer climes of Greece.

Cudzoziemiec

  • Eating all the pies and drinking all the tea.
Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2021, 09:53:57 am »
Makes you wonder why. The Geoffrey of Monmouth Giants' Dance legend makes it sound like some sort of spoils of war; as if, say, the Prussians had dismantled the Arc de Triomphe in 1870 and transported it to Berlin (except that would have been relatively easy in comparison). I'm sure similar things have been done in modern times but I can't think of any details right now.

Abu Simbel?  Ancient Egyptian wossname dismantled and moved to higher ground to avoid submersion under Lake Nasser.
Yep, that's a good example of moving a massive monument. I was thinking of ones specifically captured as spoils of war.
Faster than a walk, slower than a train, often slightly higher than a person. (David Byrne)

benborp

  • benbravoorpapa
Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2021, 09:58:16 am »
Any Egyptian needle anywhere other than Egypt? And even then...
A world of bedlam trapped inside a small cyclist.

ElyDave

  • Royal and Ancient Polar Bear Society member 263583
Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2021, 10:02:12 am »
Makes you wonder why. The Geoffrey of Monmouth Giants' Dance legend makes it sound like some sort of spoils of war; as if, say, the Prussians had dismantled the Arc de Triomphe in 1870 and transported it to Berlin (except that would have been relatively easy in comparison). I'm sure similar things have been done in modern times but I can't think of any details right now.

Abu Simbel?  Ancient Egyptian wossname dismantled and moved to higher ground to avoid submersion under Lake Nasser.
Yep, that's a good example of moving a massive monument. I was thinking of ones specifically captured as spoils of war.

London Bridge, captured by the Americans as part of a culture and economic war
“Procrastination is the thief of time, collar him.” –Charles Dickens

Wowbagger

  • Dez's butler
    • Musings of a Gentleman Cyclist
Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2021, 10:28:33 am »
There's a BBC 2 programme about it this evening at 9pm. I shall break a habit and watch television!

That will actually give me a double heping of Professor Alice Roberts this evening as I've bought a ticket to a British Humanist Association Zoom lecture about the Science of Morality, and Prof Alice is in the chair. That's at 7pm.
Eating's a serious business. Don't bollocks around wagging your tail.

Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2021, 10:46:53 am »
... I've bought a ticket to a British Humanist Association Zoom lecture about the Science of Morality, and Prof Alice is in the chair. That's at 7pm.


Do you have a link for that please Wow.  I'd be interested.  I can of course catch up with her tv slot on iPlayer at another time.  We ZoomPub with friends on Friday evenings.

Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2021, 10:47:31 am »
ah!  Thought for a moment George North had visited Swindon.

Wowbagger

  • Dez's butler
    • Musings of a Gentleman Cyclist
Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2021, 04:30:31 pm »
... I've bought a ticket to a British Humanist Association Zoom lecture about the Science of Morality, and Prof Alice is in the chair. That's at 7pm.


Do you have a link for that please Wow.  I'd be interested.  I can of course catch up with her tv slot on iPlayer at another time.  We ZoomPub with friends on Friday evenings.

https://humanism.org.uk/events/our-events/?gclid=CjwKCAiA65iBBhB-EiwAW253WwmXhSnS8HD5vcBjg5pJdK5lDNFnpAlchhvYnwMTGrvJKDOpdKuPwRoCxb4QAvD_BwE
Eating's a serious business. Don't bollocks around wagging your tail.

Mr Larrington

  • A bit ov a lyv wyr by slof standirds
  • Custard Wallah
    • Mr Larrington's Automatic Diary
Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2021, 06:37:16 pm »
Makes you wonder why. The Geoffrey of Monmouth Giants' Dance legend makes it sound like some sort of spoils of war; as if, say, the Prussians had dismantled the Arc de Triomphe in 1870 and transported it to Berlin (except that would have been relatively easy in comparison). I'm sure similar things have been done in modern times but I can't think of any details right now.

Abu Simbel?  Ancient Egyptian wossname dismantled and moved to higher ground to avoid submersion under Lake Nasser.
Yep, that's a good example of moving a massive monument. I was thinking of ones specifically captured as spoils of war.

London Bridge, captured by the Americans as part of a culture and economic war

They only bought the outer cladding, though, and stuck it round a newly-molished concrete core in Lake Haversack City.
External Transparent Wall Inspection Operative & Mayor of Mortagne-au-Perche
Satisfying the Bloodlust of the Masses in Peacetime

Wowbagger

  • Dez's butler
    • Musings of a Gentleman Cyclist
Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2021, 10:12:29 pm »
I just watched the Stonehenge programme on iPlayer. I don't think I've ever seen so many professors on one programme before.

Do we have a collective noun for professors?
Eating's a serious business. Don't bollocks around wagging your tail.

Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2021, 10:24:37 pm »
An admission of professors

Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2021, 10:26:01 pm »
I profess I don't know.
Get a bicycle. You will never regret it, if you live- Mark Twain

Wowbagger

  • Dez's butler
    • Musings of a Gentleman Cyclist
Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2021, 10:50:39 pm »
A google suggests a pomposity of professors.

In other educational circles, that is not to be confused with a Swelling of Heads.
Eating's a serious business. Don't bollocks around wagging your tail.

Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2021, 07:36:58 am »
A few years ago, MrsC and I went to a weekend about Stonehenge at a local adult education centre.
There was a pomposity present, including Mike Parker Pearson.
The custom of that centre is for the Friday night session to be slightly off-topic or at least less serious, so they'd got the assistant county archeologist in to do a talk on some rescue archeology schemes. Poor chap looked terrified lecturing to that lot.

(Also there, but not a professor, was Julian Richards from Meet the Ancestors--amongst other things. We ended up having tea and cake with him and he seems to be a really nice chap).
"No matter how slow you go, you're still lapping everybody on the couch."

Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2021, 09:22:28 am »
Quote

London Bridge, captured by the Americans as part of a culture and economic war
They only bought the outer cladding, though, and stuck it round a newly-molished concrete core in Lake Haversack City.

As I understand, they thought they were buying the Tower Bridge.  That might explain why they only put the outside on the Arizona structure.
But, someone got enough stone crumbs that they could put a few into a liquid-filled cap on souvenir-shop ballpoint pens and sell them as curios.  I was given one such many decades ago.

Mr Larrington

  • A bit ov a lyv wyr by slof standirds
  • Custard Wallah
    • Mr Larrington's Automatic Diary
Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2021, 02:21:23 pm »
The outfit who bought it strenuously deny that they thought they were getting Tower Bridge.  If it had been Donald Trump at the head of the operation I could believe it, but Robert McCulloch does actually appear to have been a successful businessman, making chainsaws and similar.
External Transparent Wall Inspection Operative & Mayor of Mortagne-au-Perche
Satisfying the Bloodlust of the Masses in Peacetime

Kim

  • Timelord
Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2021, 12:30:50 pm »
I just watched the Stonehenge programme on iPlayer. I don't think I've ever seen so many professors on one programme before.

Do we have a collective noun for professors?

Absence.  They're always off giving guest lectures or visiting research groups or being interviewed for TV programmes or whatever.
Careful, Kim. Your sarcasm's showing...

Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2021, 12:58:08 pm »
By coincidence, we are watching repeats of "The Secrets of Orkney" from 2017? on BBC4. Neil Oliver presenting.
They were delighted to date massive Neolithic building projects at 3,300 BC, and proposed that the idea had spread from Orkney throughout the British Isles.
Now back to 3,500BC in Wales....
Fascinating stuff.

PS if you do watch "The Secrets of Orkney", it does suffer from an excess of media personalities and an surplus "adventurer".

PPS Have just said to husband "only on Yacf would you get a title like that..."

meddyg

  • 'You'll have had your tea?'
Re: Pile of Welsh rubble fly-tipped in Wiltshire
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2021, 06:29:26 pm »
Quote
Absence.  They're always off giving guest lectures or visiting research groups or being interviewed for TV programmes or whatever

"But tell me Professor, who does your work when you're away from the Faculty doing field work?"

Professor Branestawm "Why, the same people who do my work when I am in the Faculty."