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Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #450 on: 19 April, 2010, 11:21:40 am »
The best thing that could help me is to lose weight. A few hundred grams here or there will make next to no difference. Losing 10kg will.  :thumbsup:

Yeah I am trying to loose 3kg which according to the magic calculator is worth about 45 minutes over the entire event.  That might not sound much but the best part of an hour is worth it.  10kg is definitely worth it

http://analyticcycling.com/ForcesLessWeight_Page.html

simonp

Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #451 on: 19 April, 2010, 11:54:10 am »
Some new wheels would help as well (note to wife  ::-))

I've considered if there is absolutely any equipment that would help me on this ride.

I could get a new coat that would weigh 300g less.  But for 100 quid that seems like not a very good investment.  All the other things I have considered have a similar problem, high cost, minimal improvement.  My current bike/luggage/clothing is all good enough already

I'll certainly fit new tyres before the event but that's more of a maintenance thing

The best thing that could help me is to lose weight. A few hundred grams here or there will make next to no difference. Losing 10kg will.  :thumbsup:

10kg over 3 months might be pushing it a bit because you can end up burning muscle - 5kg is a lot more do-able.  This is what I did.

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Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #452 on: 19 April, 2010, 11:59:01 am »
a kg a week should be do-able with no muscle loss.  Even some muscle gain if you do some hill-work.

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Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #453 on: 19 April, 2010, 12:32:56 pm »
Some new wheels would help as well (note to wife  ::-))

I've considered if there is absolutely any equipment that would help me on this ride.

I could get a new coat that would weigh 300g less.  But for 100 quid that seems like not a very good investment.  All the other things I have considered have a similar problem, high cost, minimal improvement.  My current bike/luggage/clothing is all good enough already

I'll certainly fit new tyres before the event but that's more of a maintenance thing

The best thing that could help me is to lose weight. A few hundred grams here or there will make next to no difference. Losing 10kg will.  :thumbsup:

10kg over 3 months might be pushing it a bit because you can end up burning muscle - 5kg is a lot more do-able.  This is what I did.


My reasons for new wheels have less to do with overall weight and more to do with less drag and spinning weight on the flats. The bike I'm going to use is running mtb hope disc hubs with DT swiss treking rims and 36 spokes on the rear. I built the bike and wheels to tour on, not ride long distances quite quickly. I'm also going to make use of the bag drop facilitates to avoid lugging my suitcase of a saddle bag behind the bike catching any side wind that comes along (lesson from LEL). And I'd be happy with buring up 3kg worth of fat before then.
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Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #454 on: 19 April, 2010, 12:34:33 pm »
10kg over 3 months is easily acheivable and within 'safe' parameters. Roughly, it equates less than 1KG per week, probably circa 1.75 to 2lbs per week.

Now, whether I actually do that or not is another matter entirely. Incidentally, running through the calculator that Vorsprung linked to, it estimates over 3 hours faster at 10Kg lighter than I am now. Like he says, it could make all the difference.

Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #455 on: 19 April, 2010, 12:38:23 pm »
What if you're only a couple of kg over and its looking like you'd struggle a 300 now....What chance the Mille then? :-\

Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #456 on: 19 April, 2010, 12:41:02 pm »
What if you're only a couple of kg over and its looking like you'd struggle a 300 now....What chance the Mille then? :-\
I am in that situation due to my injury. I doubt I am overweight but I am fatter and heavier than I would like to be.  I am not doing the Mille Cymru now though, I mean at this time, April,   time to get some focus and prepare. I'll be reet come July.

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Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #457 on: 19 April, 2010, 12:43:26 pm »
Well, yeh - I am talking from my own viewpoint as someone who is - according to the textbooks at least - about 20kg overweight for my height. I don't subscribe tooooo much to what they say but losing 10kg will and should be an acheivable goal.

For yourself, losing those last few lbs may prove a little more difficult. Although SImonP seems to have managed it ok. I suspect if weight is not such a big issue, then maybe you need to work on power / endurance?

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Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #458 on: 19 April, 2010, 01:37:43 pm »
Ah, to be only 10kg overweight once again...

H

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Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #459 on: 19 April, 2010, 01:50:52 pm »
Well, yeh - I am talking from my own viewpoint as someone who is - according to the textbooks at least - about 20kg overweight for my height. I don't subscribe tooooo much to what they say but losing 10kg will and should be an acheivable goal.

For yourself, losing those last few lbs may prove a little more difficult. Although SImonP seems to have managed it ok. I suspect if weight is not such a big issue, then maybe you need to work on power / endurance?

Losing 5kg in normal training would happen for me anyway. I was 75-76kg at the end of 08 and started LEL at 70-71kg. On holiday with family 3 weeks before LEL my sister was complaining about how greedy I was. It was just after the MSG 300.

The difference this time is I did the same thing over winter so I'm below my LEL weight. I guess further training and discipline ought to get me to my revised target of 67.5kg. I find it hard to motivate myself to count the calories now though as I'm quite close.

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Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #460 on: 19 April, 2010, 02:00:19 pm »
What if you're only a couple of kg over and its looking like you'd struggle a 300 now....What chance the Mille then? :-\

Work out why you can't ride long distances and fix it in the next 3 months

The first thing I discussed on here re the Mille Cymru was how tough it would be:
Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 how difficult will it be?
That was back in October last year

I don't see how anyone could enter it not understanding that it is "challenging", "tough" and has a lot of climbing

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Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #461 on: 19 April, 2010, 02:45:38 pm »
I'll certainly fit new tyres before the event but that's more of a maintenance thing
... and will probably add weight. :P


BTW, I'm nervous enough without people using the word
haemorrhaging
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Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #462 on: 19 April, 2010, 03:43:44 pm »
Young Master Garter and I went for a pootle over Easter, taking in most of the roads from day one of MC. The verdict: there's the odd bit of flat.

This is Migneint:



Easy, huh?
That's the culmination of  > 25 km relentless climbing from Bala.

After which the only way is down:



If you've ever wondered what Bwlch-y-Groes looks like from the bottom:


Yes, that wiggly line is the way up - see where it goes out of sight at the ridge? That's where MC riders will join the road, and no, it's not the top by a long chalk.

A few other pics  here

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Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #463 on: 19 April, 2010, 03:45:12 pm »
Young Master Garter and I went for a pootle over Easter, taking in most of the roads from day one of MC. The verdict: there's the odd bit of flat.



loverly pictures, thanks

Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #464 on: 19 April, 2010, 04:04:44 pm »

Work out why you can't ride long distances and fix it in the next 3 months

- All I have to is get this "work" thing outof my life then I'll have time......
Or,
- Not spend any time with my wife and kid....
Or,
-Just do the miles (once my boil has gone) ;D......

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Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #465 on: 19 April, 2010, 04:21:32 pm »

Work out why you can't ride long distances and fix it in the next 3 months

- All I have to is get this "work" thing outof my life then I'll have time......
Or,
- Not spend any time with my wife and kid....
Or,
-Just do the miles (once my boil has gone) ;D......

We all have these things to deal with in our lives
(Except the boil)

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Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #466 on: 19 April, 2010, 08:21:15 pm »
Thanks Vorsprung! will have a gander once I've got these lesson plans outta the way... :(

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Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #467 on: 19 April, 2010, 10:07:50 pm »
Nice pictures. It's been interesting watching the fear build.

To quote JFK. "We choose to do these things not because they are easy, but because they are hard". This event was never going to be easy, you'll have earned that jersey.

Fast riders always have an advantage, thats' the nature of the beast. I have however tried to design the event I'd want to ride. I'm not a fast rider (my baseline time for a hilly 300 is 16-17hrs). If you can ride that sort of pace you'll still have a good 5 hours each night for sleep.

I've now calculated the climbing for the new route, and yes there is an increase - about 900m bringing the total to 14,400m. The difficulty profile has also changed somewhat - here's the breakdown of the stages:

Day 1: 350km, 4800m (13.7m/km). 50k extra and climbing up from 3,600m. So previously this was by far the easiest leg. The revisions still place it on a par with the BCM though on average, although there are a couple of major climbs in there to spice things up.

Day 2: 310km, 4100m (13.2m/km). This is the big win, down by nearly 800m for much the same distance, so now with a couple of good flat bits to make up time on.

Day 3: 230km, 3700m (16.3m/km). This is going to be a tough third day no doubt about it. There's no difference to the amount of climbing but previously you were doing it over 280k.

So far up to this point everything's more or less cancelled out. The final run back to Shrewsbury though is 1700m in 117k or 16m/km which is 500m more than the run back from Aber was. So it's not the first day you want to worry about - it's the last.

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Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #468 on: 19 April, 2010, 10:22:35 pm »
Thanks John.

There is much to take comfort from in your posts  ;D

H

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Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #469 on: 19 April, 2010, 11:10:56 pm »
I go off to the gym I just joined, have a really relaxing time in the spa, and I come back to this?!?  ;D

Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #470 on: 19 April, 2010, 11:34:11 pm »

So far up to this point everything's more or less cancelled out. The final run back to Shrewsbury though is 1700m in 117k or 16m/km which is 500m more than the run back from Aber was. So it's not the first day you want to worry about - it's the last.

Am I right in thinking that we must finish by 9am on the last day to be inside the BRM time limit?

Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #471 on: 19 April, 2010, 11:49:04 pm »
It's funny - I finally get round to entering the Marmotte and it becomes a training ride.

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Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #472 on: 19 April, 2010, 11:58:47 pm »
To quote JFK. "We choose to do these things not because they are easy, but because we are stupid".

FYP.

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Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #473 on: 20 April, 2010, 12:04:19 am »

So far up to this point everything's more or less cancelled out. The final run back to Shrewsbury though is 1700m in 117k or 16m/km which is 500m more than the run back from Aber was. So it's not the first day you want to worry about - it's the last.

Am I right in thinking that we must finish by 9am on the last day to be inside the BRM time limit?

Yes I think that a 1000 must be done in 75hours. Effectively, one need to kip until 2am and then finish, that will be a bit tricky!
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Re: Mille Cymru - Welsh 1000 - 23-26/07/2010
« Reply #474 on: 20 April, 2010, 06:38:12 am »
So Day 3 is effectively 347km with 5400m climbing. Kind of.

Lovely. :P