Author Topic: Which to choose: Enigma Etape or Van Nicholas Yukon  (Read 8437 times)

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Which to choose: Enigma Etape or Van Nicholas Yukon
« on: 01 May, 2008, 02:05:13 pm »
My compo came today and I am now thinking about how to spend some of it (I will not be giving out loans or caritable donations).My current choice is between enigma etape or van nicholas yukon and information on either would be appreciated.
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Re: Which to choose
« Reply #1 on: 01 May, 2008, 02:06:38 pm »
see http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2186.msg32492;topicseen#msg32492 in case you change your mind.

nice to be able to choose though.
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Re: Which to choose
« Reply #2 on: 01 May, 2008, 02:16:38 pm »
Also worth considering:

XACD
http://www.setavento.com/
http://www.sundaybicycles.co.uk/
http://www.litespeed.com/
Condor Gran Fondo (£1500 for the frameset alone).

My grand plan is an Enigma Etape (but for fixed so get rid of cable guides and have horizontal dropouts1).
Geared Audax bike would be upgraded to a Condor Gran Fondo frameset.

1. Yes, I mean horizontal dropouts not track-ends as I prefer these with mudguards.
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Re: Which to choose
« Reply #3 on: 01 May, 2008, 02:23:18 pm »
with 2 XACD bikes already in the stable, we spent a bit more and got Mrs Mike a Yukon [probably 30% more]. 

It does feel better made than the XACDs and she was a lot more confident buying a bike from a shop.


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Re: Which to choose
« Reply #4 on: 01 May, 2008, 02:39:43 pm »
I'd say try the van Nicholas - one very happy owner here.  I'd also recommend speaking to Paul Smith of these threads.  He knows his Ti bikes.
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Re: Which to choose: Enigma Etape or Van Nicholas Yukon
« Reply #5 on: 01 May, 2008, 06:56:44 pm »
Pingu just placed the order for his Yukon last night.....
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Re: Which to choose: Enigma Etape or Van Nicholas Yukon
« Reply #6 on: 01 May, 2008, 07:14:08 pm »
Of those mentioned  the only one you need to dismiss immediately is Setavento, as you can see to quote them “As of 31 December 2007 Setavento is closed”.

As for Van Nicholas Yukon I did write a review of mine as follows that may be of interest:







With the increasing popularity of Audax, Etape riding and fast day rides, along with 'credit card' tours where only light luggage is carried, it follows that the demand for bikes that are specifically aimed at fast paced, high mileage rides yet offering an element of comfort has also grown.

Most manufacturers will have a model that tries to cater for this demand in slightly different ways. From the larger manufacturers we have, for example, the fair weather Specialized Roubaix range and Trek currently have their Pilot range to name just two. The smaller specialist European titanium manufacturers like Enigma and Van Nicholas, tested here, make theirs for the European market, with slightly larger clearances to take narrow guards as well as a pannier rack.

Fundamentally it is the frame geometry that make these bikes what they are; the seat tube angles are similar to what you would find on a full-on race bike, whereas the head tube will have a slightly shallower angle to give a bit more comfort. The 56cm Yukon here has a 73 degree seat angle with 72 at the head; a race bike would normally be 73/73.
As Van Nicholas offer a custom service where you can choose each and every component to suit both your budget and requirement, I will concentrate more on the bike's riding characteristics than each component.

The Yukon frame is designed in Holland by the company's founder, Jan-Willem Sintnicolaas and built using 3AL/2.5V grade Titanium. The workmanship is first class; so much so that it can take some by surprise when they discover they are actually built in China, which is why of course the price is so competitive. Alloy bars and stem plus carbon forks are also Van Nicholas branded, the latter with a gradual rake. With SKS narrow guards fitted allowing for 700 x 25 tyres (with just enough room for a light 28c tyre) there is slight toe overlap which again shows that this is no long wheelbase, heavy-duty touring bike, the emphasis being more on performance.

Cruising along, it feels comfortable and stable. Unloaded and riding on a flat level road, it feels quick; never quite as quick as a full on race bike but relatively fast nonetheless. If I had to highlight the difference of riding this style of geometry makes over a race bike, then personally I would say I only notice a slight drop off in performance when climbing or sprinting out of the saddle. The rest of the time it is much closer, which is exactly what they claim it is designed to be.

Titanium lends itself well to bikes like these, which by their very nature seldom lead a precious life that many race bikes enjoy. In many ways an evolution of steel, relatively light, durable, robust and very comfortable, won't even rust, titanium is as near a bike for life as it is possible to get; this one hasn't even got any paint to chip! In conclusion, if you want a well made, fast, mile eating, weather-resistant, durable bike, then the Van Nicholas Yukon is worth considering.


In reality for most of the above it will also apply to the Enigma Etape, as that has a very similar geometry. There are some others that are coming through, Sunday Bicycles with their September Moldel, Burls and Condor Cycles plus Xacd who you can deal with direct

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Re: Which to choose: Enigma Etape or Van Nicholas Yukon
« Reply #7 on: 01 May, 2008, 08:01:08 pm »
A very happy Yukon owner here.  I bought at Christmas time and spent a lot of time comparing various ti audax/type bikes.  At that time the Yukon was over £250 cheaper than any other comparable bike with the same spec.  People moan about the welds not being absolutely smooth and not having fancy paintwork, but I quite like the slightly anonymous look, and paint only gets scratched!
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Re: Which to choose: Enigma Etape or Van Nicholas Yukon
« Reply #8 on: 02 May, 2008, 12:44:04 pm »
I do not know the Enigma but I do know the Airborne/Van Nicholas bikes - at least I know 2 of them...
My Valkyrie Audax (equivalent to the Yukon) is my preferred long distance cycle - it eats the mile comfortably and climbs well. Stiff enough for my weight but comfortable.
I also had a Carpe Deum until I bent it this last winter but stupidly riding into an immovable object at 20mph. This was my heavier duty winter bike with Cross geometry and thicker wheels - I am missing it so much I have ordered a replacement Amazon frame for next winter.
The Amazon is heavier and stiffer but with thicker tyres comfort is fine. I specially like its resistance to winter road salt and corrosion.
I also have a couple of Orbit Photon bicycles - they are, of course, high quality lightweight steel. I have a hard time trying to distinguish ride quality between thee and the Valkyrie.... I guess I will just have to continue riding them all!
If I HAD to make a choice, I would probably choose the Airborne/Van Nicholas Yukon.