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simonp

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Brevet 5000 rules query
« on: July 29, 2010, 07:43:24 pm »
When they say "In a four year period" do they mean:

 - four seasons

 - four calendar years

 - any rolling four-year period

If the first or second, then I could find myself with Brevet 25,000 and no Brevet 5000.  ::-)

(PBP '07 in August and Easter Arrow in April '11 are within 4 years of each other, but not in a 4-calendar-year period).

mattc

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Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2011, 04:02:01 pm »
thought I'd bump this thread as thanks to Simon for digging out the following:
Can someone please look at my results*and work out which award I might reasonably aspire to, and when I need to ride an arrow to get it?

that's not much to ask, is it? Whaddya mean, 'RTFM'?!?

* (since 2007 - not worth looking before that)

Brevet 5000 should be easy.  You have LEL, mutliple SR, MC.  That's sufficient for the AUK award. (Once you add an arrow)

Brevet 25,000 is a little harder.  I'm on something like 216 accumulated points since 2006, have to get to 250 (adding UK events I've already entered, plus PBP this year, == 250).  You need iirc 3x SR (got), 1x1000 (got) PBP and LEL (got) and an arrow (not got).  For the 5K you have everything you need except the arrow, I reckon.  50 points over 4 years?  Easily.

What this tells me is twofold:
- I need to get a shedload more rides validate in 2011/12 than previous years to get a 25K badge. And
- it's a really big step from the 5K to the 25K (not surprising, I guess!)

(Thanks Simon - see you in York).

Now can anyone answer Simon's query for him? :)
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simonp

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Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2011, 04:15:55 pm »
Correction. I thought LEL counted but it doesn't for 5k. So you need to ride PBP 12 minutes faster than last time.

mattc

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Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2011, 04:20:03 pm »
Really?!? Handbook says "... randonnée of 1200km or more , SR, 1000km ... "

How does LEL not count?

[I do plan to finish PBP in time, but now I'm curious ...]
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border-rider

Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2011, 04:20:35 pm »
When they say "In a four year period" do they mean:

 - four seasons

 - four calendar years

 - any rolling four-year period

The third, I believe.

edit: and, can you count the same rides for both an AUK 5k and 25k ? I'm not so sure.  I got an ACP Brevet 5000 and an AUK 25k simultaneously. (Twice, but I've not bothered claiming the second ACP 5000)

simonp

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Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2011, 04:21:59 pm »
B25000 doesn't seem that hard but it's easy to fail on one random event eg LEL and blow it. The total points is only an average of about 42 per season. The only full season I've not done that is 2009.  So far.

border-rider

Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2011, 04:24:43 pm »
B25000 doesn't seem that hard

No, I got 2 in 6 years (which is about as fast as it can be done if you use 2 PBPs & 2 LELs),

simonp

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Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2011, 04:25:53 pm »
Really?!? Handbook says "... randonnée of 1200km or more , SR, 1000km ... "

How does LEL not count?

[I do plan to finish PBP in time, but now I'm curious ...]

Because I read the website which said 1200km not 1200+. The handbook is probably a better source.

To be on the safe side, I'd go for 13 minutes faster. I'd like to avoid having to ride through 4 nights to get round, this time.

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Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2011, 04:30:00 pm »
Well PBP is 1225km, so that's 1200+ but not 1200  ???        ;)


(I'm pretty happy that LEL counts, either way. And not bothered enough to ride an EXTRA 1200 just for good measure!)
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LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2011, 04:32:50 pm »
When they say "In a four year period" do they mean:

 - four seasons

 - four calendar years

 - any rolling four-year period

The third, I believe.

edit: and, can you count the same rides for both an AUK 5k and 25k ? I'm not so sure.  I got an ACP Brevet 5000 and an AUK 25k simultaneously. (Twice, but I've not bothered claiming the second ACP 5000)

Any rolling four-year period

You can use the same rides for an AUK B5000 and B25000.

PBP is a 1200 brevet.  There isn't any brevet that is exactly the nominal distance (Mandlebrot anyone?).  AUK allows longer rides to substitute for shorter, the ACP is more restrictive.
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arabella

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Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2011, 10:08:29 pm »
Correction. I thought LEL counted but it doesn't for 5k. So you need to ride PBP 12 minutes faster than last time.
There are two B5000, the AUK version and the ACP version.  As Implied the AUK version is less restrictive, I got mine with LEL and a DIY Perm 1,000. 

What I don't know is whether LEL can be substitited for the 1,000km in the ACP version.

The chance of me geting a B25000 are nil as the likelihood of my weedy self coping with 42+points for 6 years on the trot are nil.  I'll be lucky even to get a R5000.
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LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2011, 11:27:28 pm »

What I don't know is whether LEL can be substitited for the 1,000km in the ACP version.


There was some discussion about this particular point years ago.  In the distant past no substitution was allowed but I recall Ian H confirming (in 2006?) that LEL could be used in place of the 1000 for the ACP award.
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simonp

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Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2011, 11:30:32 pm »
You mean I did all that hard work to complete the MC1K for nothing?!

LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2011, 11:32:43 pm »
You mean I did all that hard work to complete the MC1K for nothing?!

You got a jersey, didn't you?
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simonp

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Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2011, 11:35:13 pm »
You mean I did all that hard work to complete the MC1K for nothing?!

You got a jersey, didn't you?

Two, in fact. I cycled to work in one of them today.  :smug:

AndyH

Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2011, 08:58:23 am »
So what's the difference between an ACP Brevet 5000 and an AUK one ? And why would you go for one rather than the other?

EDIT Apart from the obvious, the ACP will need BRM validated rides

Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2011, 09:10:03 am »
So what's the difference between an ACP Brevet 5000 and an AUK one ? And why would you go for one rather than the other?

EDIT Apart from the obvious, the ACP will need BRM validated rides


ACP's is the original, and an international award. AUK's is a copy and (I believe) the first of the UK series of awards.

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Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2011, 09:15:07 am »
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AUK recognise ACP's version, but ACP don't recognise AUK's
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border-rider

Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2011, 09:16:23 am »
The ACP one is harder to get (less so now as there are more BRM events around; it used to be a bit of a bugger) and considered the more prestigious. You get a nice metal badge engraved with your name and a mention in dispatches.

Billy Weir

Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2011, 09:20:10 am »
Am I right in remembering that the ACP B5000 is over any time period?

Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2011, 09:31:59 am »
Am I right in remembering that the ACP B5000 is over any time period?

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Assasin

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Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2011, 12:25:38 pm »
ACP B 5000 is between PBP's
(A four year period).
You will have to wait until next year to claim it if the PBP is your last ride for the set.

Billy Weir

Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2011, 01:01:08 pm »
Bah.  I reset this year for the ACP5000, as I'm not doing PBP 2011.

AndyH

Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2011, 01:02:29 pm »
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Thanks Ian

ACP B 5000 is between PBP's
(A four year period).
You will have to wait until next year to claim it if the PBP is your last ride for the set.
No, assuming successful completion of PBP (a big assumption, I know) there is the Scottish ride next year that would round it off.

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Re: Brevet 5000 rules query
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2011, 01:14:01 pm »
Ive an interest in this as I got my AUK Brevet 5000 last year but didn't qualify for the ACP Brevet 5000 as my 1000kms arent BRM. 

I had faint / unrealistic hopes that both PBP 2007 and 2011 could be used for the ACP version, but it looks like I'm now in the realms of needing a BRM 1000 km + as well as another Easter Arrow as my one and only of those in 2008 will drop off in 2012 as it were. 

So, it's just PBP in 2011 followed in 2012 by my own 1000km and an Easter arrow to go then.   :P

oh heck.....