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Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #50 on: 27 November, 2010, 10:43:39 am »
Tricky one now...going to have to try for a major innings, but the Aussies will love a good run chase to win.
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Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #51 on: 27 November, 2010, 11:36:58 am »
Anybody want a beer bet on the Aussies not winning this one?
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Re: The Ashes 2010
« Reply #52 on: 27 November, 2010, 12:15:47 pm »
I'd be happy with 11 Boycotts taking guard for the next 2 days I think!

19 runs in 15 overs is a good start (although a little too free scoring for Boycott)... ;)
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Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #53 on: 27 November, 2010, 03:03:14 pm »
Anybody want a beer bet on the Aussies not winning this one?

I've already got a money bet on England  :-\

Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #54 on: 28 November, 2010, 02:07:50 am »
back from the pub....135-0.....excellent stuff, just the perfect start.......leaving the bad stuff and playing the good

I still have every confidence this is going to be one hell of an interesting series.

It's going to eeb and flow all over the place....and we still have every chance.

Mark my beer fueled words :-)
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Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #55 on: 28 November, 2010, 07:38:22 am »
That's better...  :thumbsup:
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Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #56 on: 28 November, 2010, 09:44:08 am »
One of England's best Test days in years, IMO.

Sadly, Morpheus seduced me and, retrospectively reading the OBO account, I am reminded of Henry V

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Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap

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Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #57 on: 28 November, 2010, 09:46:14 am »
Will we get a result from this Test?
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Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #58 on: 28 November, 2010, 09:49:29 am »
Will we get a result from this Test?

Yes. It'll be one of:-

a) Australia Win
b) England Win
c) A draw
d) A tie (is Bob Simpson still involved in the game somehow?)

My money's on a draw though...
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Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #59 on: 28 November, 2010, 09:56:53 am »
It coulees be abandoned due to chasms in the wicket?
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Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #60 on: 28 November, 2010, 10:36:07 am »
A draw isn't a result in my books but it looks likely unless the Aussies collapse in a screaming heap. Not totally out of the question, Oz is still rebuilding towards a decent team.
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Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #61 on: 28 November, 2010, 10:36:48 am »
From the Grauniad...

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It is, history tells us, 72 years since Charlie Barnett and Len Hutton each made centuries at Trent Bridge, the last England openers to do so in the same innings against Australia before yesterday...

...only after the captain and Cook, as a pair more prolific now in terms of aggregate runs, than the legends that were Hobbs and Sutcliffe,

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and largest opening stand by a touring party - at the Gabba.
smh
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Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #62 on: 28 November, 2010, 10:54:51 am »
I still haven't come to terms with the fact that these players are younger than my kids.
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Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #63 on: 28 November, 2010, 11:00:26 am »
I still haven't come to terms with the fact that these players are younger than my kids.

Shane Warne's retirement was a milestone for me. Until then there'd always been at least one international who was older than me.

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Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #64 on: 28 November, 2010, 11:02:50 am »
I still haven't come to terms with the fact that these players are younger than my kids.

Then Grandkids, then great grandkids, if you are lucky.  ;D
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Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #65 on: 28 November, 2010, 11:53:30 am »
I still haven't come to terms with the fact that these players are younger than my kids.

Shane Warne's retirement was a milestone for me. Until then there'd always been at least one international who was older than me.

My gauge to decide whether or not I was getting old was always Premier League footy players. If there were players older than me still playing I was good to go. I'm pissed off with David James as he was my last hope! There's not much point in swapping to international cricketers as I don't think there are any older than me. There are plenty at county level though, so that's my new gauge  :P
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Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #66 on: 28 November, 2010, 12:21:32 pm »
A draw isn't a result in my books but it looks likely unless the Aussies collapse in a screaming heap. Not totally out of the question, Oz is still rebuilding towards a decent team.

90 overs left, England 88 runs ahead.

a) England collapse and are all out for another ~90 runs in the first session leaving 60 overs to chase down 180. Aus win.

b) England push on and declare, setting the Aussies a chance of a win.

Timing isn't great for this. Ideally you'd want to give them 3 or 4 overs before the end of the morning session, but that only gives 24 overs to get a solid enough lead. 88 + (24 * 4 ) = 184 runs. Leaving 64 overs = just under 3 an over for the Aussies to get back. Not enough really. Unlikely we could score at more than 4 an over without panic setting in when the first few wickets go down.

So, plod on at 3.5 or 4 an over until midway through the 2nd session and declare leaving a required run rate of at least 5, then stick them back in and go full steam at them.

88 + (45 * 3.5 ) =~ 245.

245 / 43 = 5.7/ov

c) England bat on, and on, and on, playing for the draw and don't bother declaring.

Much as I'd love to see them do (b) and make a game of it, I'm guessing it'll be a cross between (b) and (c) in that we won't declare but we'll be all out with a lead of 300+ but only 10 overs remaining for the Aussies 2nd innings.
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Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #67 on: 28 November, 2010, 12:30:27 pm »
Current betting:

Australia   12/1
England   22/1
Draw   1/20

Which makes it clear that despite a superb day's play, England are not really likely to win this.

Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #68 on: 28 November, 2010, 12:35:36 pm »
I think it will be (c) all the way. Or at least they'll try to. Risking going 1 nill down after the first test is insane. Be boring and be glad to get a draw.......
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Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #69 on: 28 November, 2010, 12:38:02 pm »
I think that c) with only one more wicket would lay down a marker that we can bat and they can't attack bowl.

Maybe declare midway through the last session and beat them up a bit like Anderson did yesterday morning.
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Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #70 on: 28 November, 2010, 12:39:00 pm »
200 for a fourth innings is a sort of threshold. Below 200 is gettable, anything over is tough. A fourth innings to win of over 250 is fairly rare and anything over 300 finds its way here.

If England set Australia 200 to win in 3 hours' play, they would be most unlikely to chase it, I reckon, and far less likely to get it.
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Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #71 on: 28 November, 2010, 12:52:36 pm »
I think that c) with only one more wicket would lay down a marker that we can bat and they can't attack bowl.

Maybe declare midway through the last session and beat them up a bit like Anderson did yesterday morning.

Yes, I think England should bat on for as long as possible - to pull the teeth of the Aussie bowlers, and if there opportunity have a go at getting some cheap wickets to extract a few more teeth...   ;)  But as ever, it could be that our batsmen might not stick around for as long as expected, and things could get interesting...
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Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #72 on: 28 November, 2010, 02:31:41 pm »
Andrew Strauss to make a bold declaration, assuming that we get into a position for it? Well I suppose there is a first time for everything.
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Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #73 on: 28 November, 2010, 08:33:12 pm »
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Re: The Ashes 2010 (possible spoiler)
« Reply #74 on: 29 November, 2010, 12:27:49 am »
Apparently there is an Australian fan at The Gabba, but I can't see him.
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