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Have you signed up to Mr Zuckerberg's walled garden?

Yes
No
Yes, but the details are false
Yes, but I never log in or anything

Author Topic: Are you on Facebook?  (Read 89328 times)

road-runner

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Re: Are you on Facebook?
« Reply #500 on: April 04, 2019, 08:23:28 pm »
Following advice given sometime last year, now a few pages back, I log in to FB when I want to check whether we have any messages and then log out when I am finished. That supposedly cuts FB's tracking off.

Last month I was looking online at letterboxes as we needed to buy a new one. Today I logged on to FB to send a message (to a friend whose email address didn't work, so FB has its uses now an again) and had adverts for letterboxes thrust in my face on the first page. That was scarily impressive as I haven't been on FB for quite a while; and it suggests that FB is tracking me even when I am logged out of FB. I wonder what else is has tracked: my bank login details? This post on YACF?

Re: Are you on Facebook?
« Reply #501 on: April 04, 2019, 09:24:39 pm »
This isn't FB, this is the ad services that track you and deliver tailored content. You can disable cookies, but often that diables functionality too.

road-runner

  • is in Slovakia.
Re: Are you on Facebook?
« Reply #502 on: April 04, 2019, 10:48:34 pm »
Tailored content? Who are you kidding? They must have missed tracking the purchase which means we are no longer looking for a new letterbox.

No, really, thanks Ham, that is interesting to know.

Kim

  • 2nd in the world
Re: Are you on Facebook?
« Reply #503 on: April 04, 2019, 11:23:58 pm »
Which isn't to say that Facebook aren't tracking you too:  Every site with one of those little "Like us on Facebook" buttons causes your browser to load an image from Facebook's servers, revealing any identifying features of your browser's profile[1], even without the presence of a Facebook login cookie.  If at any point that browser *does* log in to Facebook, they know all that was you.  Or if you go to some public Facebook pages without logging in, they can make inferences about where in the social graph you might be.

(See also: Twittergram, GooTube, etc.)


[1] *This* build of *this* version of *this* browser with *these* addons on *this* OS version with *these* other cookies present at *this* IP address... it can be surprisingly unique.
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Re: Are you on Facebook?
« Reply #504 on: April 05, 2019, 04:05:26 am »
Given that I don't seem to be doing the sleep thing right now, I might as well explain a bit more.

There are multiple ways that your day to day passage through the WWW is tracked, that can result in the semi-spooky adverts that you describe, there are two prime methods.

The first, most likely option is one of the ad giants. you visit page A from WeSellStuff.com, and the 3rd party service embedded in the page makes a note of what you are looking at. When you visit site B that also uses that service, the advert space on the page retrieves the data stored on your computer in cookies, looks for an appropriate advertiser on its books for those products and displays it. One of the biggest is doubleclick.net - what a surprise, it's google. As you point out, they will not know that you bought the item, they just know that it is relevant to you which makes the ad more likely to be valuable to the advertiser.

The second, more tricksy method is web beacons, or some variant thereof. If you use Yahoo, then you will have agreed to their use as part of your TOS. This uses clever tech to identify your passage around the net, such as image/script loading that Kim mentions. Yahoo are (or at least, were?) one of the worst offenders in this respect. You can block some of the worst aspects of this behaviour by blocking 3rd party cookies. Facebook tried with the Facebook Beacon, overstepped the mark because it couldn't be blocked and got their wrists slapped a few years back. It is likely that they have some sort of tracking tech in play, but it may be confined to those who use the Facebook API, eg using third party games within FB (but, may not as well).

You can see what cookies are being set by any site if you use something like ublock origin (click on the "Shield" to see any page data), which by default will kill any of the more aggressive tracking and can be modified to reject more if you want. As, indeed, can your browser, just by throwing away all cookies after a session. Want to see just how many cookies you have? In Chrome, go to settings, advanced, privacy and security, content settings, Cookies, See all cookies and site data. Wot a lot there are. Apart from doubleclick, quantxxxx is another AI tracking giant.




T42

  • Gaulois réfractaire
Re: Are you on Facebook?
« Reply #505 on: April 05, 2019, 09:11:50 am »
There's a nifty Firefox add-on called Lightbeam that presents first- and third-party cookies as a graph and shows the connections between them all.
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