Author Topic: Lead Me To The Darkside  (Read 22344 times)

clarion

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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #25 on: 20 July, 2012, 08:58:04 pm »
I do like trikes, but I am leaning towards two wheels for the train issues.  And the commuting is important.  I'll only be going down this road if my shoulder can't be mended and I have to resort to lying down.  Otherwise, I will be staying on my fixed and an upright tourer, however much I would like a bent in the stable...
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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #26 on: 20 July, 2012, 09:17:27 pm »
Of course if you end up with some halfway state where like me you're okay on a DF for shorter periods, but want the weight off your arms for longer rides that would avoid a lot of the more difficult compromises and make trikes a much more viable option...

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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #27 on: 20 July, 2012, 09:25:36 pm »
Well Clarion you could always borrow my Trice Q for a bit when Bikey-Mikey returns it (which isn't going to be too far in the future, I think) and see how you get on with one. That's currently adjusted for one-handed use (right hand only).
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clarion

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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #28 on: 20 July, 2012, 09:27:36 pm »
That's a very kind offer, and I might take you up on it.  But we'll see how things go for a while after surgery before I make a decision, so long as that's OK. :)
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Auntie Helen

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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #29 on: 20 July, 2012, 09:31:55 pm »
Sure.

I had missed the newsflash about surgery - sounds a bit dramatic. Hope it goes well!
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Kim

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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #30 on: 20 July, 2012, 09:33:39 pm »
Don't underestimate the magical healing powers of Auntie Helen's trike...   :)

clarion

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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #31 on: 20 July, 2012, 09:34:27 pm »
Surgery expected Tuesday.
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Arellcat

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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #32 on: 20 July, 2012, 10:28:39 pm »
If taking a recumbent on a train is a significant factor, a lowracer may not always fit the bike spaces.  That said, my experience was with my HP Speedmachine with the boom set a long way out.  Using trains more often was one reason I bought my Lightning P-38; climbing hills was the other.  It was frighteningly expensive at the time, but it's the bike I use for 90% of my riding.  I sit with the same eye level as a car driver, and the bike's agility and upright seat means low speed riding and manoeuvering in traffic is easy.  Not Brompton easy, of course, but definitely recumbent easy.  It won't carry four panniers though, and baulks at two if they're heavily loaded.

My first suggestion for a good all-round recumbent would be a dead heat between the HP Streetmachine a la Kim, and the quasi-low Nazca Fuego that Darkerside and Ruggtomcat ride.  Both are well capable of four panniers, both have suspension (Fuego rear only), and both are exceedingly well made.  Go for the SMGT if you prefer under- (or over-) seat steering and a higher seat; Fuego for over-seat steering and a lower seat.  I never found any particular difficulties in traffic with the reclined seat angle and low position of my SpM, but I did tire of car drivers being so protective of my wellbeing that they had to tell me.  If you want to look further afield, Lightning's Phantom would also make an excellent city and touring recumbent.

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clarion

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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #33 on: 20 July, 2012, 10:31:57 pm »
The SMGT is an attractive option, but they do have a reputation for being rather heavy.  Is that the case?
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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #34 on: 20 July, 2012, 10:39:34 pm »
Yes.  That's one of the reasons I sold mine to Kim.
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clarion

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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #35 on: 20 July, 2012, 10:42:04 pm »
Let me make this very clear: I am NOT buying a Baron! :o ;D

I see Optima do the Dragon, which is similar to the SMGT.  And that the SMGTe is lighter than the standard.
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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #36 on: 20 July, 2012, 10:50:45 pm »
GT now GTE apparently (assuming I've cracked the code):

http://www.hpvelotechnik.com/produkte/sm/gte/technik_e.html

I've had a slight hanker after one of those since following a pair up Minto Street at the end of the G8 bike ride in 2005 (I think I recognise the chap at 1:19 here)

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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #37 on: 20 July, 2012, 10:52:08 pm »
Let me make this very clear: I am NOT buying a Baron! :o ;D

I see Optima do the Dragon, which is similar to the SMGT.  And that the SMGTe is lighter than the standard.

In fairness, my Optima Dolphin (now discontinued) isn't that much lighter...
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Kim

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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #38 on: 20 July, 2012, 11:02:23 pm »
I see Optima do the Dragon, which is similar to the SMGT.  And that the SMGTe is lighter than the standard.

The SMGTe is the standard.  They stopped making the SMGT years ago.  I reckon they'd like to do away with the Streetmachine entirely and concentrate on the Grasshopper, but it's still popular as it has the edge for serious fully-loaded touring (better distribution of weight, none of those 20" wheel gearing issues, probably rolls marginally better).

Realistically, all of HPVelotechnik's offerings are heavy.  They're the epitome of German over-engineering.  If you think the SMGT is a tank, you should see their trikes.

On the other hand, all recumbents are quite heavy, and none of it matters once you've got a touring load.  I happily manage all the sort of cycling you mention on mine without a problem, and I'm hardly teethgrinder, though I accept that I am working harder than the DF riders on social rides (you can tell by all the extra braking I do).  It is, after all, significantly faster than an equivalent ICE trike, and those are quite popular.

On the gripping hand, maintaining audax pace for more than 200k on it is insane, and the only reasons I haven't bought a Fujin SL are because I'm wondering if there's some way the Chamsin could be made to work for shortarses, and because barakta's imposed a "no n+1 until you get rid of the tandem" rule.   :demon:

Valiant

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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #39 on: 20 July, 2012, 11:32:58 pm »
Is anyone else thinking a Darkside picnic gathering in London is required? I'd live to give other trikes a go and maybe even a two wheeler if anyone is willing to let me have a go.
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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #40 on: 20 July, 2012, 11:34:58 pm »
I was going to say a camping weekend but there would have to be a series of them as we all seem to be dotted about from all over
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clarion

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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #41 on: 20 July, 2012, 11:38:15 pm »
Sounds like a fun idea, Valiant, if it can be organised.
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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #42 on: 20 July, 2012, 11:40:36 pm »
Is anyone else thinking a Darkside picnic gathering in London is required? I'd live to give other trikes a go and maybe even a two wheeler if anyone is willing to let me have a go.

That's an excellent idea.  I'm surprised no one's thought of it before...   ;D

Valiant

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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #43 on: 21 July, 2012, 02:27:41 am »
 ;D ::-)
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PaulF

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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #44 on: 21 July, 2012, 07:06:51 am »
How about one of these?


tonycollinet

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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #45 on: 21 July, 2012, 09:15:15 am »
Is anyone else thinking a Darkside picnic gathering in London is required? I'd live to give other trikes a go and maybe even a two wheeler if anyone is willing to let me have a go.

You may get better participation if you make it a little further north.

Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #46 on: 21 July, 2012, 11:17:51 pm »
I've a PDQ that you are welcome to borrow for an extended loan TJ.
I keep half thinking of selling it but never quite want to make the break (I feel the same about the Brompton after it flung me off  :) ).
I have never ridden the PDQ since taking it in part exchange for my Bacchetta. It has a hub and derailleur mix for gears.

On hub gears: I think the Shimano Alfine 11 is a good alternative to the Rohloff. I am enjoying mine.
On three wheelers: I bought my Trice after following Cycleman and seeing that while he rode a steady line uphill I was using at least as much road width with my weaving side to side on my Bacchetta.
I wouldn't want to ride my Trice in heavy traffic because of being at exhaust level. Something with a seat at the same level as a car seat and narrow enough for smaller gaps is preferable, I think.

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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #47 on: 22 July, 2012, 09:21:39 am »
Let me make this very clear: I am NOT buying a Baron! :o ;D

I see Optima do the Dragon, which is similar to the SMGT.  And that the SMGTe is lighter than the standard.

In fairness, my Optima Dolphin (now discontinued) isn't that much lighter...

Please tell me their next model will be a Narwhal.  ;D
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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #48 on: 22 July, 2012, 02:47:40 pm »
One thing that I've just been reminded of by a thread in another place:

When trying out recumbents, give serious consideration to how you're going to carry and wheel them.  Through doorways, around railway stations, up and down steps, over anti-cyclist gates on Sustrans routes, that sort of thing.  Centres of gravity and sensible lifting points vary greatly, and a do-it-all/touring bike is going to have to be lifted and wheeled at some point.

This is of course extra-important if you've got a shoulder that needs to avoid certain stresses.

clarion

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Re: Lead Me To The Darkside
« Reply #49 on: 22 July, 2012, 05:57:22 pm »
An important point I am bearing (pardon the pun) in mind.
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