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Jacomus

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Cyclist down
« on: August 01, 2012, 09:48:01 pm »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19087826

Just caught this article flash across the top of the screen, it seems that a cyclist has died after a collision involving an Olympic bus.

 :(
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Re: Cyclist down
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2012, 09:53:08 pm »
 :( :(
RIP
Condolences to all those left behind.

clarion

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Re: Cyclist down
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2012, 10:23:04 pm »
Sad news
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Re: Cyclist down
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2012, 10:39:45 pm »
shit shit shit shit shit shit

http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=61229.msg1277396#msg1277396

Being able to point to that really just makes me feel so, so bad.

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Re: Cyclist down
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2012, 11:04:55 pm »
What's the betting the cyclist will be blamed..?
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Re: Cyclist down
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2012, 11:07:22 pm »
shit shit shit shit shit shit

http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=61229.msg1277396#msg1277396

Being able to point to that really just makes me feel so, so bad.

Why?
There's absolutely no reason why you should.
Really.

Re: Cyclist down
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2012, 11:14:18 pm »
Yes I know. But.

It's almost as if I saw it happening, not in a clever way, either.


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Cyclist down
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2012, 11:51:10 pm »
Yes I know. But.

It's almost as if I saw it happening, not in a clever way, either.

Lots of people saw it happening. Several people cited that specific junction as a danger spot. We all hoped we'd be wrong.

Locog have blood on their hands.

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Re: Cyclist down
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2012, 11:57:38 pm »
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Re: Cyclist down
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2012, 12:10:21 am »
Yes I know. But.

It's almost as if I saw it happening, not in a clever way, either.

Lots of people saw it happening. Several people cited that specific junction as a danger spot. We all hoped we'd be wrong.

Locog have blood on their hands.

d.

Reading the link that Wendy posted elsewhere the junction design had nothing to do with it, nor do Locog have blood on their hands.

http://www.reddit.com/r/bicycling/comments/xiud7/just_sat_down_with_some_poor_bloke_for_his_last/
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Re: Cyclist down
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2012, 06:06:46 am »
Very sad.

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Re: Cyclist down
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2012, 06:51:01 am »
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Bradley Wiggins calls for helmets to be compulsory as a bus driver is arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving.

http://news.sky.com/story/967839/cyclist-killed-after-being-hit-by-olympic-bus

Oh dear.  Not helpful.
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Re: Cyclist down
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2012, 07:11:36 am »
Awful.  RIP and my thoughts are with his family and loved ones.
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Re: Cyclist down
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2012, 07:20:27 am »
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Bradley Wiggins calls for helmets to be compulsory as a bus driver is arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving.

http://news.sky.com/story/967839/cyclist-killed-after-being-hit-by-olympic-bus

Oh dear.  Not helpful.

From the eyewitness account it doesn't sound as though a helmet would have helped.

He may be the UK's greatest cyclist, but I do wish Wiggins would STFU on the helmet issue.
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Re: Cyclist down
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2012, 07:34:18 am »
From the livery, it does appear to be an out of  town bus.

And no, you can't eliminate junction design from the equation, that area is shite, but we are so painfully far from the mindset that would design areas for the safety of vulnerable road users that it is irrelevant in the context.

clarion

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Re: Cyclist down
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2012, 07:41:23 am »
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From the eyewitness account it doesn't sound as though a helmet would have helped.

He may be the UK's greatest cyclist, but I do wish Wiggins would STFU on the helmet issue.

Quite.  On a morning when the news should still be positive about cycling, and getting people on the roads after a glorious pair of medals (which would be a significant factor in the improvement of safety in itself), the item was about helmet compulsion and signed off with the number of annual cyclist deaths.

Thanks for playing to media prejudice, Bradders. :facepalm: ::-)
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Re: Cyclist down
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2012, 08:46:18 am »
What an awful tragedy.  The story from the person who was there is just so sad.
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AndyK

Re: Cyclist down
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2012, 08:57:40 am »
Witness accounts on RoadCC. Sounds horrific:

http://road.cc/content/news/62783-cyclist-killed-olympic-bus-witness-accounts-and-wigginss-input

Can't see a helmet making any difference.

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Re: Cyclist down
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2012, 09:06:41 am »
Bradleys comments as quoted reflect really poorly on him - so I assume he's bee selectively misquoted.
Even an ill informed ego-opinionated pro cyclist would not be such a twat to victim-blame a dead guy on a helmet liability/defendability basis, when it was a lower body crush under the wheels of a bus. He'd be a dickhead to do that, and it would be intensely offensive to the victims family for him to be trying to make cheap debating points out of such a tragedy.
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clarion

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Re: Cyclist down
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2012, 09:14:57 am »
In fairness, Bradley was a bit ambushed, and talked about laws to better protect cyclists.  Unfortunately, he cited helmet compulsion as one, and, naturally, that's the one the media have picked up and gone with.  But Wiggins is experienced at talking to the press, and I have no doubt that Brailsford puts all hos riders through media training, so he really should have known better than to put his foot in it, which takes the shine off hos success slightly, by changing his legacy.

I blame endorphins.  He had earned them.
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Re: Cyclist down
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2012, 09:16:01 am »
Bradleys comments as quoted reflect really poorly on him - so I assume he's bee selectively misquoted.

I would love to think so, but based on the link above, he's been a bit of a dick:

"Ultimately, if you get knocked off and you don’t have a helmet on, then you can’t argue. You can get killed if you don’t have a helmet on.

"You shouldn’t be riding along with iPods and phones and things on. You have lights on. Once there are laws passed for cyclists then you are protected and you can say, ‘well, I have done everything to be safe."

"It is dangerous and London is a busy city. There is a lot of traffic. I think we have to help ourselves sometimes."


(I've copied the whole quote over, that's the best I can do  O:-) )


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Even an ill informed ego-opinionated pro cyclist would not be such a twat to victim-blame a dead guy on a helmet liability/defendability basis, when it was a lower body crush under the wheels of a bus.
He probably doesn't know the cause of death. LOTS of people have blamed the victims in these situations, I'm afraid.
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Re: Cyclist down
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2012, 09:22:20 am »
Condolences to family and friends RIP

Re: Cyclist down
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2012, 09:27:26 am »
So sad. May he rest in peace.

Bradleys comments as quoted reflect really poorly on him - so I assume he's bee selectively misquoted.

I'm going to make the same assumption.

Re: Cyclist down
« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2012, 09:29:36 am »
The guy rides bikes downhill at 70mph, he has colleagues who die in bike crashes, I think he's entitled to his view on helmets, just as we are. It's just he has a higher profile.