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Re: Welsh Coast-to-Coast (was "I may have some time on my hands...")
« Reply #200 on: 20 August, 2013, 10:25:27 pm »
I love reading your ride reports! Great pictures too, and this is the land of Mr M's fathers....we should go there.

I feel I should apologise for the rain. If I'd been paying attention beforehand I could have told you that it always rains this week. The reason I know this is that we got married on August 13th (in the rain) and have had seven anniversaries since, and it's rained on every single one. Especially in Chester. Just to make absolutely sure of it, Mr M had ticket for cricket on the 17th. So, any incidences of trench foot or stray frogs are our fault. Sorry about that.
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« Reply #201 on: 20 August, 2013, 10:47:11 pm »
Saturday 17th August

Nikki had already packed most of her stuff up before I emerged. After a loo trip I got on with it and was fairly pleased with my lack of faffage. The wind was so strong that I had to keep my tent roped down as I rolled it up from the leeward end, but at least it was dry. We were away around 10.30.

To our considerable surprise it was not raining. The sky was thick with leaden clouds and there was a very strong south-westerly, which meant that our progress was rapid. However, after about 6 miles it was time to reach for the waterproofs.

This was no mountain drizzle but a full-blown Atlantic depression in all its nastiness. Wave after wave of rain hit us, soaking everything, but mostly we progressed pretty well. We reached Nefyn around 11.45 and there was a tea room. We went in to find that it was of the "greasy spoon" variety rather than a refined one with cake. I decided that I needed beans on toast, which I ordered, but never before have I seen so few beans on a slice of toast which is meant to be swimming in them. After half-an-hour or so we carried on with our trudge towards Bangor.



I knew there was a hill, as we had to round Yr Eifl, three peaks, the tallest of which is nigh on 2000', which stand guard over the northern portal to the Lleyn peninsula. However, I had forgotten how high the road went. The hills disturbed the wind and sometimes it was most unhelpful. We ground our way up to about 850', including climbing a chevron just after Llithfaen and we had to examine Nikki's bike which was making some unpleasant noises.

She had two broken spokes in the rear wheel. I took the broken ones out so that they shouldn't flap about, but it was clear that that rear wheel just was not designed for the sort of load that she was carrying. I suggested, since she is a faster rider than I am, that she go on ahead to try to find a bike shop in Caernarfon, which was still about 18 miles away, get her wheel fixed and wait for me in a tea shop. She agreed to this and soon after we parted company we reached the summit and began to descend towards the A499.

Years ago my sister lived along this road, in Clynnog Fawr. I remembered how busy it was then, being the main road between Caernarfon and Pwllheli. At the height of the holiday season it could become non-stop traffic and that was how it was today. However, a recent engineering project had put a cycle lane in on the east side, and it was an excellent facility. Some of it was smooth, purpose-build tarmac, bits of it were the old road where the new one took a different route, and this cycle path carried on all the way to the village of Ffrwd, only a little more than a mile form the cycle path alongside the Welsh Highland Railway. The point at which the sign warned that the cycle path ended there was no indication of any alternative to the A499, which was still pretty unpleasant, but across the road was a minor road towards Llandwrog ad this made a very pleasant alternative to the A499. I followed this for a couple of miles and then joined the path alongside the railway, knowing that I was almost in Caernarfon and really not feeling like pitching a tent in the appalling conditions we had had to endure.

Eventually I was met by a welcome sight.



The first task was to find Nikki so I made my way to the town centre and looked or a bike shop. There was no sign of one, although I had spotted a bike hire place near the castle. I tried a shop at random and asked the proprietor whether she knew of a bike shop. She was just getting to the interesting bit when I received a text message from Nikki, who was in the car park by the castle with two spokes, two tyre levers and a Park spoke key that had been lent to her by the bike hire people, who had now closed in disgust because no-one wants ot hire bikes in weather like this.

After a phone call we saw each other so I made my way down the hill to the castle.

"I've got a very good plan B," I said to her.

"Does it involve being warm and dry?" she replied.

"Yes, it does. We find a B & B for the night."

With remarkably little protest from my companion we hied us to the Tourist Information office and asked about B & Bs. Every one they had on their books was full. However, they gave us a map and showed us a couple of roads where B & Bs hung out and we found one almost straight away with a vacancy.

We knocked at the door, which was answered by a youngish man with a slight foreign accent and the dirtiest feet I had seen in a long time.

"Do you have a twin room for the night?" I asked.

"It's a double."

"Is there room for an airbed on the floor? We're not attached."

"Probably. Come and see."

So we did.



It wasn't just a double bed, it was a 4-poster, so ideal for hanging wet sleeping bags on. My sleeping bag was wet, my downmat was wet, my silk liner was wet and so was my polyester blanket. I don't think Nikki had fared a lot better. We showered, found some dry clothes and an electric heater and whilst I was in the shower Nikki went beyond the call of duty and turned my cotton shorts, which were very wet indeed, several times on top of the heater. By the time I was out of the shower they were dry. What was more, the rain had stopped and we were ready to hit the town, it now being about 5 pm and neither of us having had a proper lunch.

There was a curry house and we were the only customers. We ordered food in the form of poppadoms, starters and mains, and I had some Cobra lager. Nikki had a lassi. My balti arrived in a bucket. We were to find later that the curry house had only just reopened after a refurbishment and I think we were its first customers.

There was still some daylight after we had finished eating we wandered around Caernarfon, looking at the castle and the water.





Then, knackered as we were, we went to bed.
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Re: Welsh Coast-to-Coast (was "I may have some time on my hands...")
« Reply #202 on: 20 August, 2013, 11:19:40 pm »
Sunday 18th August.

Today was meant just to be a pottering day around Bangor, but one bonus was that we had had an evening in Caernarfon, which is a much more interesting town. Also we had avoided 10 more miles of the wettest sort of rain and a miserable camp site.

After a breakfast which was far tastier than a man with such dirty feet should have been capable of delivering, we packed up, I mended the rear wheel puncture which I noticed on arriving in Caernarfon the previous afternoon, and we began the leisurely ride along the Lon Las Menai to Nikki's campsite for the night and my train to Shrewsbury.



Despite its broken spokes, Nikki's bike was still behaving pretty well. We were "Bore da"'d to by numerous roadies out on bikes, including one large club who surprised us a little in that they were prepared to slum it on a dual use cycle way rather than bash up and down an A road. Near Felinheli we say a family whose youngest member was not enjoying herself as much as her parents wanted her to.



Soon we arrived at the camp site where Charlotte and I stayed three years ago. Nikki was stung £12 for her pitch, which was by a long way the most expensive camping that any of us had paid for all week. Not far away there were some seriously big mountains.





Nikki blew up her pillow.



We crossed the bridge onto Anglesey so that we could visit Waitrose.

We had lunch at Morrison's, which did a very good value cooked meal for about £5 a head, and Nikki demolished half a pretty large chicken. I had salmon. Eventually it was time to go for my train so we had a big hug and off I went.
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Re: Welsh Coast-to-Coast (was "I may have some time on my hands...")
« Reply #203 on: 20 August, 2013, 11:20:59 pm »
We interrupt this serialisation to bring you Supplementary Photographs and Marginalia from a Touring Newbie. Normal service will be resumed shortly...

ETA Ah, too slow! Appendix then :)

Thursday
Zooming along the lanes, progress fuelled by bacon, light drizzle dripping from the leaves:




Wow has an impressive ability to always be alert to avian activity occurring in the near and not-so-near vicinity of the route. Here he is about to ask me if I can hear a something-or-other:
 


Perygl! Lots of 'up' ahead!






I tried several times to take photos to convey how steep the trail is, but nothing really did it justice.

I think these two come closest:





I had to stop frequently when pushing my bike up the hill; not because my legs were tired, but because of failing circulation in my arms! You can see in that photo of Wow how the gradient meant we were holding our arms relatively high in relation to our bodies.

Do you remember that The World's Strongest Man TV programme that was on at something like 6pm on a Sunday and one of the things Geoff Capes et al had to do was hold a mahoosive stone out right in front of them for as long as possible? It was like that. Only rainier.

The cake at the hardware store:



I wasn't quick enough to photograph the cake in its whole state in the display counter (it only just fitted between the shelves!) as it disappeared very rapidly to various slavering customers. Very nice it was too.

The railway path along the estuary to Barmouth:




Candidate for a comedy Sustrans gate:




The Bridge:





I nearly lost my sleeping bag on the wooden section of the bridge when it slipped free of its bungees. Fortunately a bag with my sandals in saved the day. Also a nice woman who stopped to help. Kim and I ended up having a bit of a natter with her as she asked us where we'd been and we got onto the subject of attempts at pronouncing place names.

Calories being administered at The Ship Aground in Talsarnau:



Despite the rain it was blissful to ride an unladen bike the mile or so up the road to the pub, and once there the recent refurb was a very pleasant surprise.



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« Reply #204 on: 20 August, 2013, 11:33:32 pm »
That's OK, Nikki. I had just about finished. Just the geekery to go. Better photos than mine anyway.

The Route.

That claims 19151 feet of ascent over 251.25 miles. Maximum height 1791'. The Garmin claimed a maximum height of 1795'. Its total height gain was wrong because I forgot to set it until I had already left Chepstow.

According to the Cateye, the total distance from home to home was 281.76 miles. That includes crossing London twice and a return trip from Shrewsbury to Condover.

Thanks for the nice comments, Morrisette. And, mostly, thanks to Kim and Nikki for keeping me company on the toughest sections. Apologies to Nikki for my snoring.
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« Reply #205 on: 20 August, 2013, 11:39:03 pm »
I don't think I have anything much left to add to all that, except that:

a) I *really* hate slugs (I assume Morrisette is responsible for those, too).
b) The YACF gilet finally got a field (and indeed, mountain) test, and passed with flying colours[1].
c) Preliminary in-tent experiments into constructing a emergency Pantenna™ for my phone using a Trangia, my remaining dry pair of socks and a HRM strap showed promising improvements in GPRS[2] stability (I assume by preventing it from switching between two equally naff cells).
d) The OS don't put chevrons on off-road tracks, even tarmac ones.
e) Charlotte was right about the condoms.


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[2] For it was Wales, and the UTMS doesn't start until you get to Shrewsbury.

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« Reply #206 on: 20 August, 2013, 11:52:55 pm »
I tried several times to take photos to convey how steep the trail is, but nothing really did it justice.

I think these two come closest:



Using a combination of Inkscape, a reference photo of my bike showing boom and wheels, and Maths, I make that a ~18degree slope.  That's almost but not quite exactly 1:3!

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« Reply #207 on: 20 August, 2013, 11:58:42 pm »
Excellent read.
Thanks chaps.
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« Reply #208 on: 21 August, 2013, 12:06:30 am »
Nicely done. Are you dried out now? Did you work out why the B&B man's feet were dirty?

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« Reply #209 on: 21 August, 2013, 12:12:18 am »
Did you work out why the B&B man's feet were dirty?

I think it was because he'd been unable to get into the bathroom for some time - when I tried to use it it was full of dripping wet cycling gear...

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« Reply #210 on: 21 August, 2013, 12:13:54 am »
I dried my trangia out this morning.  I think that's the last of it.

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« Reply #211 on: 21 August, 2013, 05:21:21 am »
Nicely done. Are you dried out now? Did you work out why the B&B man's feet were dirty?

I think pretty well everything is dry, just in time to get it all wet again in Mildenhall at the weekend.
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« Reply #212 on: 21 August, 2013, 09:07:42 am »
The only things I had that got problematically wet were my walking shoes (they filled up on the way to Caernarfon) and my bar bag.

Panniers and strategic dry bags kept everything except for what I wore and washed dry, so that was okay. Bar bag's a bit spongy though, so when that got wet there was a lot of things inside that needed drying and also the bag itself took a lot of heater rotations to have any effect at all.

I'm poised to molish a replacement elasticated shower cap out of a sacrificial dry bag...


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« Reply #213 on: 21 August, 2013, 09:32:58 am »
I have just been visiting the Field and Trek webstie.

I bought 2 40 litre stuffsacks and 2 lightweight towels.
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« Reply #214 on: 21 August, 2013, 09:44:18 am »
Topeak do a bar-bag cover, in YELLOW. Think mine was about 4 quid!

Ah the slugs. Yes, those are mine, from our old house where they used to come sliming into the kitchen. We trained them, taught them Welsh (slugio? that's a guess) and sent them on their way, the Attack Slugs of Doom!
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« Reply #215 on: 21 August, 2013, 09:46:55 am »
Friday

Torrential downpour when we started pitching the tents not withstanding, I really liked the Barcdy camp site at Talsarnau.

This is an opinion largely formed on the basis of the top-notch showers which were free, warm, clean, in good repair and had a sensible amount of hooks and shelves for keeping your stuff dry.

The camping area was in good nick, and there was an indoor food prep and laundry area with hot water, spinner/drier (we were up and about a bit to early to seek out tokens and use these), and spare sockets available for topping-up batteries up with more electrons.

Also the tent-ingressing wildlife was of a very high quality. I was totally impressed with my toad. (Spork for scale.)




The lovely sunny morning that greeted us came in very useful after getting soaked the previous day. Through cunning use of all of the surfaces, we were mostly dry by the time stuff got packed up and away.

Here's how much space we appropriated in order to do this (all this is us, even the picnic table at the far right!):




The estuary at the Pont Briwet crossing was as I had left it about 13 years ago:




I was more than a tad nostalgic at seeing all the familiar sights from my childhood again, especially Aunty Megan's inexhaustible supplies of cake (Wow gave it a good attempt, though.)

Time marches on, however, so we couldn't linger in the Penrhyndeudraeth area too long.

I finally got to cross the Cob at Porthmadog in something other than a car. One of my highlights of the tour was cycling along that section of path with the warm sun on my skin, the mountains being all distant and majestic and the smell of buddleia bushes hanging in the air. Just perfect.







*sigh*


We got a bonus steam train, too:




The other side of Porthmadog was new territory for me. Once we'd climbed up out of the valley it all felt very top-of-the-worldy:






Wow and I waved goodbye to Kim at Criccieth and then continued on our way, very aware of the absence. 3 felt like a good number for a touring posse, and being just two took a bit of getting used to.

With, it seemed to me, the prospect of a swim in the offing, Wow put on a bit of a turn of speed. This enthusiasm was renewed at the promise of icecream from the butcher's (this kept us giggling for the rest of the tour!), but energy levels were low on the approach to Porth Colmon with additional headwind and traffic to contend with.

We finally managed to escort Wow to the coast, though, squeezing in a quick dabble before light and weather deteriorated. Success!  :thumbsup:





We didn't quite have the viewpoint to make the most of the sunset, but we lingered to watch a large flock of swallows on the way back to the camp site:






I judged Wow to be comfortable and set off for shower adventures in a washblock with no light-switches...








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« Reply #216 on: 21 August, 2013, 09:49:15 am »
Topeak do a bar-bag cover, in YELLOW. Think mine was about 4 quid!

*nods*
(It was in place, but no match for the Welsh weather!)



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« Reply #217 on: 21 August, 2013, 10:15:36 am »
I think an appraisal of the campsites is in order.

Llanthony: wonderful setting, bogs a long way away, no shower, only £3, marvellous pub.

PS there's another camp site across the road which I believe has better facilities.

Rhayader: picturesque riverside site, close to town and pubs, flat, excellent facilities (shower had its own thermometer display which you could adjust), good value at £7.50

Llwyngwern Farm: another riverside site. Showers and washing up facilities were more basic and somewhat tatty, but worked. £8, which I thought was a bit steep. No pub within easy reach. Edit: Kim has pointed out two, one, the Dwynant Arms, less than a mile away and another, the Slater's Arms, a little further, in Corris. Turn left out of the camp site.

Barcdy: Top-notch facilities all round. The published price of £9 per person was at the very top of what I think is acceptable, but far too many of these camp sites just charge a flat rate, whether you are in a 4*4 towing a caravan or you are on a bike with a one-person tent. The fact that the proprietor was open to haggling was good, and at what turned out to be £5 each was superb value. Ship pub less than a mile away.

Porth Colmon: very reasonable at £4, although there was no hot water for washing up or in the wash basins. The showers were quite good, but the bog lights were on a timer which had not kicked in around dusk, and had gone off again by midnight. Be sure to take your torch. Quite a lot of the field was sloping so careful pitching was required. There's a shop across the road, a beach nearby, but no pub for quite a few miles.

Treborth: Charlotte and I camped here 3 years ago and, from memory, because of Charlotte's injured leg, we arrived late and paid the following day, which always puts you in a strong position. I think we paid £4.50 per head, but said we shared a tent or something. It would have been more. Within a short ride of Bangor and all its facilities. Well placed for A & E in Bangor.

Nikki paid £12 up front, which would have been the same by whichever means of transport she had arrived. Extortionate.
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« Reply #218 on: 21 August, 2013, 10:19:13 am »
Monday 12th August
Immediately we got stuck into an enormous hill and, as is ever the case when I go on tour, I was questioning the wisdom of my decision. I'm 59 and fat and I shouldn't be forcing myself up these huge hills.
Despite being younger and slimmer, and not having four laden panniers, I was thinking exactly the same. But I was also thinking that you're really rather good at forcing yourself up these huge hills in a way which I'm not.
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« Reply #219 on: 21 August, 2013, 11:17:02 am »
Nikki paid £12 up front, which would have been the same by whichever means of transport she had arrived. Extortionate.

I'm in two minds on that sort of thing.  Yes, lightweight campers take up nominally less room, but they're relatively rare and their use of the facilities that actually cost money (shower and washing up water and the like) tends to be equal or greater than the 4x4 and caravan brigade.  The exception is electric hookups, but those are usually charged separately anyway.

I'd rather pay a flat rate per person (which seems like a more realistic reflection of the true costs) than a flat rate per pitch, anyway.  All things being equal, a campsite that's able to stay in business is better than one that didn't.


As for pubs, you can't count the pub a mile away at Barcdy as a feature and then claim that Llwyngwern Farm didn't have a pub within easy reach, it also being about a mile away.  It was a hillier mile, but a more walkable one.  I can't vouch for the quality of either pub, thobut.

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« Reply #220 on: 21 August, 2013, 12:38:33 pm »
You are right. I have found two, the Tafarn Dwynant, in Esgairgeiliog, and the Slater's Arms, in Corris. I didn't notice either when we went through on Thursday morning.

I couldn't tell whether the Tafarn Dwynant did food. It isn't open on a Monday. The Slater's Arms seems to.
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« Reply #221 on: 21 August, 2013, 12:47:51 pm »
I couldn't tell whether the Tafarn Dwynant did food.

The notice board by the bogs at the campsite[1] gave its approximate location, opening times and details of food-serving (they did, possibly with restricted times).  I can't remember any of it, though.

The Slater's Arms serves decent food, real ale and Haribo, and is a short bastard hill from the youth hostel in Corris.  What's not to like?


[1] It's always worth looking at notice boards on campsites.  They can have all manner of useful or comedy factoids.

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« Reply #222 on: 21 August, 2013, 01:25:08 pm »
You were on our old stomping grounds there Wow. Tony was living in Corris when I met him and he has had many a pint in the Slaters. We lived the other side of Mach after we got married and the lumpy roads around there are where I really got into cycling. I miss them now we are on the Fylde believe it or not!  ::-)

Seems like you had a good time despite the weather. Corris has a reputation for being wet! One of the first times I went there when the boys were younger we ended up taking them puddle splashing rather than sitting indoors just looking at the rain.  :)


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« Reply #223 on: 21 August, 2013, 05:58:12 pm »
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=276005&Y=312724&A=Y&Z=115

That's the steepest section of COR just north of Corris, just after we went through the first gate. The path climbs from the 265 metre mark to 390 metres in something like 700 metres of road.
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« Reply #224 on: 21 August, 2013, 06:02:27 pm »
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=276005&Y=312724&A=Y&Z=115

That's the steepest section of COR just north of Corris, just after we went through the first gate. The path climbs from the 265 metre mark to 390 metres in something like 700 metres of road.

None of that was mentioned on the notice board at the campsite.