Author Topic: Brooks Cambium C15/C17  (Read 17773 times)

Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #50 on: February 05, 2017, 08:53:28 am »
I'm a fan of the cambium. C17s on my MTB and cargo bike. C15 on my Disc Trucker which I use for touring and recently Audax. I love them. Incidently, I got an email last night from Charlie the Bikemonger which may be of interest:

 "Hi There,

 I am on a mission my friends, I am a driven hairy soul, who will not rest until I saved the nation's cycling ar$es.

How am i going to do this?

£30 Off the Brooks Cambium Saddle + FREE £17.99 tub of Happy Bottom Bum Butter

I have acheived the rarest of things... a deal on Brooks saddles. The awesome Cambium C17 rubber saddle is what you will find on almost all of my bikes. It gives you the comfort of the original Brooks leather saddles, but in a zero maintenance rubber format. What's more this deal is on the best and the original colour: Slate organic canvas top, natural vulcanised rubber base. RRP is £110, now only £79.99.

I am then throwing in a FREE tub of our now famous Happy Bottom Bum Butter, worth £17.99. Jo Burt, best known as the human who illustrates "mint sauce" the comic strip mountainbiking sheep, gave it a ripping review over at road.cc (click here for the review).

So thats:

£30 off the Brooks cambium Saddle

Free £17.99 Bum Butter

Free UK delivery"

http://www.charliethebikemonger.com/brooks-cambium-saddle-c17-4273-p.asp

Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #51 on: February 25, 2017, 08:44:31 am »
Took advantage of Charlie's offer and went for a C17. Fitted initially with nose up and adjusted several times on the commute yesterday morning. Ended up with the saddle more or less level. I did 100km on the way home last night for a good shakedown ride. I like it. Nose level definitely relieves pressure on the undercarriage and I think the grippy cotton top prevents the slide forward feeling you might get with a leather saddle. The narrow nose is also agreeable as guess prevents any inner thigh chafing. I didn't have padded shorts on last night but was not uncomfortable after 100km. I guess the real test will come on much longer rides. Discomfort for me has only previously bitten on rides of 250km plus.

Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #52 on: February 25, 2017, 03:19:33 pm »
I fitted mine just over a week ago. Two rides last weekend, bit of shopping and stuff over the week. It's my second C17 – I guess I must like them! I've got both mine virtually horizontal, fractionally nose down; YgeometryMV. Turns out the special offer only applies to one colour (of the C17 at least); slate. This is fine by me, as slate is Brooks-speak for grey, faded black even. In fact the main difference between slate and black is the colour of the rubber underlayer – natural as opposed to black. The black model is very black!

Mine arrived with a "Brooks product overview", a catalogue of some of their products – from 2015! Perhaps this give a clue as to the reason for the discount! I've yet to try the butter but I might get some crumpets later.  :D
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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #53 on: February 25, 2017, 04:29:22 pm »
I went for the same deal. The bum butter smells so nice, I could use it as beard balm. Whether it really has the claimed anti bacterial properties, I have no idea. It's very different to Assos.

The Cambium was great on the turbo - no problem up to 100km. It's now benefiting from a Ergon CF3 pro  flexy post and I'm running 35mm tyres on 21mm internal width rims at 40psi. It feels soooooo soft and comfy - more give than my basic Domane. Whether it'll be as comfy, I'll have to see.

 

dim

Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #54 on: February 25, 2017, 06:58:25 pm »
if you get on well with the Cambium saddle, and have some spare cash and want to 'spruce' it up for your audax or best bike, you can have it covered in leather of your choice andyour  design:

http://lehcyclinggoods.com/






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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #55 on: March 13, 2017, 02:09:59 pm »
Having recently broke mine, I am back on a standard saddle.

I can really feel the difference in comfort (and it makes quite a difference as I am riding M+ pumped up to high heaven!)

Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #56 on: September 01, 2017, 08:01:57 pm »
I noticed an update on the Brooks website. A Cambium 'All Weather' model with re-enforced nylon frame and rails. Comes in cheaper than a normal Cambium but weighs a bit more.  (http://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/saddles/cambium.html)

Anyone seen/felt one of these yet? I've not seen any product announcement or anything.

Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #57 on: September 01, 2017, 08:13:57 pm »
First I've heard of it. Looking at the website, first I've heard of the C19 too. Have their been problems with the cotton canvas wearing out or rotting in a lot of wet riding? They do describe the standard cotton version as "waterproof" thanks to the numac (whatever that is... ). Similarly, does the steel and aluminium frame actually corrode?
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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #59 on: October 31, 2017, 10:30:52 am »
I got a Cambium C17 All Weather a few weeks back and I am using it on the fixed. I didn't particularly like the original Cambium (not really sure why) but I am very happy with the All Weather Version. Will see how it holds up over the longer term I guess and I have found that riding fixed is a great test of a saddle.
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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #60 on: February 19, 2018, 09:39:03 am »
I've had one for a few months now (C17 Carved) and think it's pretty good. Still quite abrasive on bibs, but very comfortable on the longer rides.

Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #61 on: May 15, 2018, 01:36:53 pm »
Sean Conway just cycled across Europe in world record time on a C13 and considers it a mistake. He'd have preferred his C17 for the extra comfort
http://www.seanconway.com/cycling-europe.html
I must say I'm tempted by a C17 but as it would be worth more than the rest of the bike I may spec in on future steel horse.

Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #62 on: June 05, 2018, 10:52:52 am »
I got a Cambium C17 All Weather a few weeks back and I am using it on the fixed. I didn't particularly like the original Cambium (not really sure why) but I am very happy with the All Weather Version. Will see how it holds up over the longer term I guess and I have found that riding fixed is a great test of a saddle.

I was interested in your comment regarding being happy with the C17 All Weather but had been less so with the original. I got a C17 Carved in 2015 have used it for maybe 5,000 kms , certainly my fastest saddle but only up to 100kms, thereafter it gets painful due to, for want of a better description, sit bone bruising and by 180/200 I can hardly pedal.

Do you have any theory why you prefer the all weather? . Looking at the side on pictures it seems to me that the front to back profile is flatter, less up kick at the back of the saddle but it is hard to tell and no shops near my stock it. I would get a new one if there was a prospect of it being better. Thanks

PS: There is certainly something different as the Brooks site says the original C17 is 42mm "high" whereas the All Weather is 52 ?

Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #63 on: June 05, 2018, 01:56:28 pm »
A first long ride of 400km on the C15 All Weather Carved left my bum in pretty good condition (better than 200s on other saddles) a few weeks ago, but my sit bones were getting rather sore after about 250km. I also felt the saddle to be a little narrow for me – it didn't feel like I was 100% perched on it.

Switching to a C17 AW Carved for the Ditchling Devil felt much better (Evans offers a 30-day return window for undamaged used saddles). I felt fully supported 'down there' and while I was aware of my bum's contact points by the end of the ride, that was all – and there was zero soreness come Monday morning. Next proper test is a 600...

Both saddles felt very comfortable from the off, though – helped, I think, by the extra flex afforded by the cut-out. I switched to the Cambium after getting sore on longer rides with a Gyes leather saddle, which also didn't cope well in wet weather. The Gyes was very flat across the back end, whereas the the Cambiums have a distinct curve – I reckon that helps spread the load, at least for my bum.


Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #64 on: June 05, 2018, 02:22:41 pm »
The rubber top of my Cambium C17 cracked near the nose-piece before its second birthday. The shop I bought it from had gone out of business, but Brooks was kind enough to take it back and replace the top under warranty. At least that’s what they offered me if I paid for shipping it to them. I did that and it’s currently with them.

Whether to keep the repaired saddle if it’s only going to last a couple of years is my next question. I haven’t answered that yet.

Great saddle otherwise. I’m now using a friend’s Charge Knife. In comparison to the Cambium, the Knife has soft padding but less give on big hits despite impressive flex in the rails. The padding puts more pressure on soft bits, especially in my low-torso riding position, leading to discomfort on long rides.

Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #65 on: June 07, 2018, 08:50:48 am »
When anyone has inspected my Cambium(or B17 for that matter), the usual comment is - upon tapping it with a knuckle - "Ooh gosh! No, that's too hard!". I have to explain that the flex is the comfort.

I think people often get caught out with squishy foam thinking that it'll be cushioning, not considering that it'll be more or less fully compressed once they have their weight on it.

I've done a few 3 & 400's on the C17 carved now and it's remarkable by the lack of internal remarks about how uncomfortable. I mean, it's still a bike saddle, it's not a sofa, but in the context - a comfy perch.

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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #66 on: July 15, 2018, 11:03:59 am »
I've now spent some time with a C17 Carved (up to 300 on the tandem) and I'm shifting it to a shorter distance bike. My very B17-shaped arse gets excessive sit-bone pressure on the C17 (and I like a firm saddle!).

I'm not sure why anybody thinks the C17 and B17 are similar shapes. The C17 is a close match to a San Marco Regal IMHO and I didn't get on with those back in the day. I suspect it is the C17's side-to-side curve that is causing the problem, wedging the bones apart.

Other than the Rivet Pearl Pass, I'm still looking for saddle with a similar shape/ feel to a B17 Standard. I'm happy to go with space-age materials; I just want the effect. Any suggestions?
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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #67 on: October 09, 2018, 02:24:26 pm »
The rubber top of my Cambium C17 cracked near the nose-piece before its second birthday. The shop I bought it from had gone out of business, but Brooks was kind enough to take it back and replace the top under warranty. At least that’s what they offered me if I paid for shipping it to them. I did that and it’s currently with them.

Whether to keep the repaired saddle if it’s only going to last a couple of years is my next question. I haven’t answered that yet.

This question resolved itself a couple of weeks after receiving the repaired saddle when one of the rails cracked. So that’s the end of my C17 and, since it broke in both possible ways within two years despite my flimsy 65 kg, I will not be getting another one. It seems to be a saddle for low-mileage or rich riders (describes a lot of equipment these days).

The C17 is a close match to a San Marco Regal IMHO and I didn't get on with those back in the day. I suspect it is the C17's side-to-side curve that is causing the problem, wedging the bones apart.

I can tell you another saddle not to try: the San Marco Rolls. I tried that after the Cambium because I liked its appearance and rep for comfort. It is excessively curved across the top when viewed from behind, leading to the effect you describe plus pressure on soft parts.

Since it’s so hard to find useful pictures of saddles online (except for Brooks saddles), I resisted choosing another saddle on guesswork and went to a shop in Paris (Franscoop). They only had modern saddles and I tried a few on a fitting machine. The one that felt most promising (in jeans!) was a Specialized Power saddle. This looks radical (and ugly), but I thought I’d give it a try to learn more about saddles.

It’s different, that’s for sure. The huge cut-out does relieve pressure on soft bits in a low-torso position. However, the resulting sharp edges dig into the crotch a bit. Most strange is that the tip of the nose has been cut off. You might think you don’t use the nose much but I nearly fell off when I first took my hands off the bars. Apparently I use subtle thigh pressure on the saddle nose to steer the bicycle no-handed.

It more or less works for 100 km rides, so I’ll stick with it for now while researching my next saddle carefully.

Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #68 on: October 09, 2018, 02:34:24 pm »
The C17 might be similar in shape to the San Marco Regal (I've never encountered a Regal), but IMO it's not much like a Rolls.
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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #69 on: October 09, 2018, 09:32:20 pm »
I knew the San Marco Rolls wasn’t shaped like a C17 but hoped it might work anyway. It didn’t although it looked the part.

A saddle others have recommended to me is the Selle Italia Turbo, supposedly flatter across a widthwise vertical cross-section than the Rolls. In between saddles I tried to get a used one from a local seller, but the deal fell through. I may yet try that one.

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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #70 on: October 09, 2018, 09:42:32 pm »
I liked a Rolls when I raced and did some brevets up to 1000km on one decades ago but I sit too upright now to be comfortable on a Rolls. The Turbo was generally similar to a Rolls but with more of a curve front to back.
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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #71 on: October 12, 2018, 10:19:33 pm »
Other than the Rivet Pearl Pass, I'm still looking for saddle with a similar shape/ feel to a B17 Standard. I'm happy to go with space-age materials; I just want the effect. Any suggestions?

Might be worth trying a Gilles Berthoud Aravis.  I like the Pearl and the B17, so the Berthoud *ought* in theory to feel a bit narrow, but I've found it works excellently for me for multiple longish (150-200k) days (no experience yet on longer events, but the omens are good).  Basically I just don't think about the saddle while I'm riding.

The "Open" version (with cutout) is what I'm using.  Highly recommended, and minimal break-in needed.

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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #72 on: October 12, 2018, 10:26:37 pm »
I have the wide steel-railed GB and aren't thrilled by it once I get past 200km.
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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #73 on: October 12, 2018, 11:02:19 pm »
I have the wide steel-railed GB and aren't thrilled by it once I get past 200km.

I didn't get on with the non-cutout Aravis, but this feels very different.  Might be worth a try (but saddles are a very personal thing)

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Re: Brooks Cambium C15/C17
« Reply #74 on: October 12, 2018, 11:23:16 pm »
OK, something to think about then.
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