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Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #825 on: July 04, 2017, 05:28:00 pm »
is anyone here staying at the premier inn in Bispham on Thursday and planning to eat there? we had a decent dinner there last year

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Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #826 on: July 04, 2017, 05:40:00 pm »
Yes x2 though tempted by the sirens of 'spoons...see above

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Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #827 on: July 04, 2017, 05:48:55 pm »
I was suprised last year that the curry at Blackpool tower 'spoons was dearer than in MK, yet the beer was cheaper!

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Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #828 on: July 04, 2017, 05:56:40 pm »
Route sheet and info just hit the inbox. Many thanks Andy.

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Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #829 on: July 04, 2017, 05:58:04 pm »
One of this year's entrants has asked me to post this:-

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I have been asked to post this from the originator of the RwGPS link of the ‘possible' route. This route is not produced by the MP 'team' but is based on last year's and details Andy had previously shared months ago (new control locations at Barnard Castle, Lanehead, Langholm, Ripon) and very, very recently the revelation of Sedbergh as the 'central control' as opposed to Askrigg. He has used Andy's new distances and get the same first and last day's and total as the MP site /Route tab advertises, but the 359km for Day 2 (2 more than last year btw) is not the same, and Day 3 is longer (than the MP site detail) if via Ripon. It may be that Andy's gone back to using Thirsk as the control W of NYMoors in which case another tranche of km on Day 2 is needed. Perhaps the route will go back to going us right over to Lockerbie again and then straight down the A6 via Shap to Sedbergh but the MP site still says 'via the Eden valley' in the amended text so that’s taken (on the ‘possible’ route) as via Kirkby Stephen.

(he's having difficulty joining YACF, if anyone can assist).

And some further info:-

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Have (at last) received Andy's MP1000 route sheet, for 66 hours time.

I have updated the RwGPS file iaw routesheet (turn south at Langholm  not Lockerbie - thank goodness) which I suggest would now be worth sharing. Also as per routesheet I've changed the route to Buttertubs and Low Row / Crinkly Bottom climb to Arkengarthdale, and used the A170 and A61 through Thirsk to Ripon (as opposed to minor roads via Coxwold) and finally routed riders back along the A588 for the final hour (as opposed to minor roads - way out route). I cannot see other changes - maybe there are some.

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14297233

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Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #830 on: July 04, 2017, 05:59:11 pm »
The author of the gpx has asked me to post this as he's got the routesheet, and he reckons this matches the official route:

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14297233

(Mine up thread is now out of date, as Lockerbie cintro has been replaced with Langholm, phew - i'll jibble it and the list of food stops later)

Edit: whoops, jinx

Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #831 on: July 04, 2017, 06:21:39 pm »
There's a fair-sized Spar shop in Sedbergh, open 7am to 10pm. That will be handy for topping up control supplies.
https://www.spar.co.uk/store-locator/hal26987-spar-sedbergh

Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #832 on: July 04, 2017, 07:56:25 pm »
I've split the GPX into the 4 stages using Bike Hike, files can be downloaded using links below:

Stage 1: https://www.dropbox.com/s/c1b4azbeeldl9an/mp_1.gpx?dl=0
Stage 2: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3i6ki7o7hbvsd3n/mp_2.gpx?dl=0
Stage 3: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujguioyvhxneu33/mp_3.gpx?dl=0
Stage 4: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qhr83qcgk6xl8lt/mp_4.gpx?dl=0

Hoping I will get to use all these!

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Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #833 on: July 04, 2017, 07:58:22 pm »
Event information and route sheet are in the process of being e-mailed to all entrants. A couple of distance errors have just become apparent which are being corrected.

Andy Corless

Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #834 on: July 04, 2017, 08:33:55 pm »
is anyone here staying at the premier inn in Bispham on Thursday and planning to eat there? we had a decent dinner there last year

I'm staying and have pre-paid for dinner at the Premier Inn

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Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #835 on: July 04, 2017, 10:32:18 pm »
Event information and route sheet are in the process of being e-mailed to all entrants. A couple of distance errors have just become apparent which are being corrected.

Andy Corless

Would that be day 2 which was stated at 335K when was lead to believe from earlier info it was actually 359K? I was hoping the change for for real and the daily distance has somehow evened out!! Here's hoping ......
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Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #836 on: July 04, 2017, 10:32:26 pm »
Thanks for the route sheet and the gpx tracks posted up thread. I opted to fit mudgurds to the bike tonight (as a precaution) will familiarise myself with the route tommorow evening and pack on Thursday evening. I have a train booked from Brum to the start on Friday morning as I've suddenly found myself without car and therefore my bed for the night beforehand. I see I have industrial action to cope with on Monday, looks like I'm cycling to Preston as a warm down. Nothing like a last minute 1000km ride thats been in my dairy since last October on top of a stupid busy week at work. At least I remembered to lose sose weight and put in some lumpy trainning miles. OK, time to put some sleep in the tank and try to relax my feelings about this ride.
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Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #837 on: July 04, 2017, 10:45:12 pm »
It's just been realised that the control closing times for some of the controls printed on the route-sheet are incorrect. The opening times, controls and distances are correct, just some of the closing times. I'll correct them tomorrow.

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Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #838 on: July 05, 2017, 07:11:52 am »
It's just been realised that the control closing times for some of the controls printed on the route-sheet are incorrect. The opening times, controls and distances are correct, just some of the closing times. I'll correct them tomorrow.

Andy Corless

PHEW!!!! I was getting quite concerned with the 15kph average speed required !! Should be 13.3kph I think.
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Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #839 on: July 05, 2017, 11:21:35 am »
Day 4

You're on your own as it's the wrong side of the hills for me, but there are loads of places to get grub, and you can nip into Kirkby Lonsdale if you're desperate. I would point out that one rider (Paul Cre) rode straight through on Sunday night last year, and at the time I thought "What a fucking idiot", but after dealing with the crazy trucks on the A683 round Caton, then Monday morning rush hour in Lancaster, I kinda thought he might have done the right thing.

I'll be helping at Sedbergh at some point, anyway, so I'll hopefully get to point and laugh see you lot.
On that subject ...

What facilities will there be at Start/Arrivee? (if any!)

I just read the entry page, which has this:

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[...] if you arrive back at the Bispham HQ during the Sunday night or in the early hours of Monday morning you’ll be able to rest/sleep at no extra charge if you don’t feel like driving home afterwards

Are there showers at the arrivée? That would be nice :)

Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #840 on: July 05, 2017, 02:49:39 pm »
weather looking better than last year  :)

http://www.weatherbagel.com/f/304625da-e7b5-4748-9cee-770ef7552679

this is for full value riders

Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #841 on: July 05, 2017, 03:36:50 pm »
weather looking better than last year  :)

http://www.weatherbagel.com/f/304625da-e7b5-4748-9cee-770ef7552679

this is for full value riders

I hope that wind speed isn't in mph!

Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #842 on: July 05, 2017, 03:50:51 pm »
weather looking better than last year  :)

http://www.weatherbagel.com/f/304625da-e7b5-4748-9cee-770ef7552679

this is for full value riders
I almost wish I was doing it again, but it's a return to the Buzzard for me; no train or car required!
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Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #843 on: July 05, 2017, 04:23:37 pm »
weather looking better than last year  :)

http://www.weatherbagel.com/f/304625da-e7b5-4748-9cee-770ef7552679

this is for full value riders
Looks like fitting my mudguards has had an effect.
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Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #844 on: July 05, 2017, 04:56:03 pm »
Right, a couple of people have asked me about the route, and about good eatin' along the way, so I've tweaked the RWGPS route posted above with some personal preferences of routes:

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/22754388

Now updated with the control at Langholm rather than Lockerbie (05/07/17)

So I'll be using Deano's route as updated on the 5th. Just noticed the Sleightholme Moor reroute and suddenly this ride ticks another box and makes use of the 35c titres. I'd better pop a few cereal bars in the bag drop to make it to Stanhope.
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Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #845 on: July 05, 2017, 05:59:34 pm »
I've split the GPX into the 4 stages using Bike Hike, files can be downloaded using links below:
Stage 1: https://www.dropbox.com/s/c1b4azbeeldl9an/mp_1.gpx?dl=0
Stage 2: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3i6ki7o7hbvsd3n/mp_2.gpx?dl=0
Stage 3: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujguioyvhxneu33/mp_3.gpx?dl=0
Stage 4: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qhr83qcgk6xl8lt/mp_4.gpx?dl=0

are these splits of the official routesheet route, or Deano's recommended modified route?
thanks
LBR

Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #846 on: July 05, 2017, 06:08:13 pm »
They are split from the Per Routesheet version here: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14297233


Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #847 on: July 05, 2017, 10:20:46 pm »
Right, a couple of people have asked me about the route, and about good eatin' along the way, so I've tweaked the RWGPS route posted above with some personal preferences of routes:

Day 1: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/22823845
Day 2: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/22824534
Day 3: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/22825091
Day 4: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/22825433

Now updated with the control at Langholm and split at Sedbergh into 4 days (05/07/17)

If anyone wants to keep track, the changes to the h'official route are as follows (also listed on each track:
(click to show/hide)

And onto the food.

TOP TIP - eat in Keswick rather than at Whinlatter (the cafe was absolutely rammed last year - you can just get a stamp for PoP at the Whinlatter visitor's centre).

There's a tiny village shop/cafe in Lorton as well, which is good for a coffee and a cake or some snacks.

Kirkstile Inn at Loweswater - good for bottle top-ups, but only worth stopping to eat if you have the time for a proper sit-down meal.

Gosforth village before Seascale has a very well-stocked village shop, including a coffee machine. Would recommend calling in here and just getting a receipt at Seascale (http://www.thevillagestoregosforth.co.uk/ - I'm not sure the cafe is actually open, but it's a couple of years since I was last there) .

Seascale - large-ish Co Op before you drop to the sea and a takeaway opposite, or a crappy McColl's on the front. Just snacks and supermarket food. Also public toilets on the front.

Eskdale - there are a couple of pubs before you go over Hardknott, including the Eskdale Inn, which does coffee and snacks as well as full-on meals, but I'd probably just eat earlier. But there's nowt else on route until Skelwith Bridge.

Once you're into Ambleside, there are plenty of choices around Windermere, Kendal and so on.   

Day Two

Hawes - not likely to be much open early in the morning apart from newsagents - or an ATM if you're dead early.

Barnard Castle - the butcher's opposite to Costa opens early, and does a decent bacon sandwich. Costa might be open by the time you get there.

Stanhope - there's a Co Op and a cafe next to it, but the cafe at the Dales Tourist Centre is much better (opens at 9).

Above Stanhope there's Parkhead Station Cafe: http://www.parkheadstation.co.uk/tea-rooms.php

(I'm not sure of the opening times, but you could give them a call and just get a receipt in Stanhope before riding up Crawleyside to the cafe - it says 3 miles from Stanhope, and there's a board at the cafe for writing your time up Crawleyside. Don't expect this to be a quick 3 miles)

Blanchland - there's a shop and a decent cafe, but I wouldn't bother stopping unless you're on your knees. Hexham isn't that far, and this is probably the toughest section where you can lose the most time. N.B. the Waitrose at Hexham does NOT have a cafe, if anyone from down south is hankering after a taste of home.

Wark has a handy village shop.

Bellingham is just off route and there's a Co Op, a few cafes, a bakery and a bike shop.

Falstone - cafe in the old school. Just off route, and can be a good stop before slogging into the headwind over Kielder.

Kielder Reservoir - There's a nice cafe at the Tower Knowe Visitor Centre about 10-15 km before the village stores, they didn't seem to mind that we were oozing water all over the floor https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Tower+Knowe+Visitor+Centre/@55.174844,-2.4751189,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x83c142965f854792!8m2!3d55.174844!4d-2.4751189.  (thanks Jon for reminding me! I think there are public loos here as well)

Kielder control - as well as the village shop (which doesn't stock much), there's a little shop at the garage on the main road (I think they do coffee), and the pub, which is farther off the route.

Top tip - I'd just get a receipt at Kielder for PoP and ride the 20-25 km to Newcastleton and go to...

Copshaw Kitchen - excellent home cooked food. Open till five I think, and worth stopping. Steve and I stopped there last year after just getting a bar of chocolate for PoP at Kielder. If running late, call to check opening times (013873 75250) - they're pretty friendly and would probably stay open a little bit if they knew you were coming, as they offered to do just this last year when I mentioned the ride to them.

EDIT: someone has called them and they're open until 8 on Saturday night.

Newcastleton also has a couple of shops and hotels, so it's well-provisioned.

There's not a lot in Langholm Longtown or Lockerbie (another reason to stop at Newcastleton) - a quick garage stop, or pizza shop is about as good as it gets.

Gretna Services - I noticed we passed this on the road from Lockerbie to Carlisle. You'll miss it if you don't know it's there, but on the B7076 between Kirkpatrick Fleming and Gretna, there is a secret entrance to the right in the hedge which takes you to the M'Way Services:

https://goo.gl/maps/995u2cZkPqR2

It's a proper motorway services with proper Motorway prices. But if you want a bucket of KFC, it's your lad.


Above removed as the route doesn't pass Gretna Services. I don't think there's much on the A7 from Langholm to Langtoon and Carlisle, but if anyone knows different, shout up.

Farther on, there's a McDonald's on the A7 in Carlisle, and obviously loads of options in Carlisle itself.

Don't try the McDonald's in Penrith if it's late as it's drive-thru only and they won't let you order on a bike. Last year, they wouldn't even let someone in a car order for us "cos I can still see them". FFS.

Tebay J38 services - the route passes the M'way services (on the right just before the A685 roundabout), and this is a pretty good option if you need something get you the last 10 miles or so to Sedbergh. The shop on the forecourt is 24-hour, and comes with a coffee machine.

Day 3

The control at Yarm is probably going to be the garage - if you take the right after the roundabout, though, there's a decent cafe at Kirklevington Prison. No, really. Ask at the counter for their "Just Visiting" stamp*.

Castleton - there's a Co Op and a cafe at the old school. The route also passes the National Park Centre at Danby, but I'd expect that to be rammed on Sunday afternoon. Either of those should get you to the control at RHB (which is a decent chippy).

After Robin Hood's Bay, there's not much on the route - a couple of pubs in Egton Bridge, or you can nip into Grosmont. After Egton Bridge there's nowt until Rosedale. You can top your bottles at one of the pubs or the campsite in Rosedale, and there are cafes and shop if you're early enough.

I wouldn't bother stopping in Hutton-le-Hole, but Kirkbymoorside is a good place to stop, with a couple of shops and takeaways to break up the long section to Ripon.

After Helmsley (loads of options), there's unlikely to be anything open except pubs, though there are plenty of those.

Ripon - if it's late, the 24-hour garage on North Street is likely to be the only thing open. There's nothing else 24-hour on the route, and it's a long way yet to Sedbergh. If it is early enough, there's a Costa and loads of stuff but you'll have to ride into town.

Masham - there's a Co Op open late on Sunday evening, and obviously plenty of pubs. I'd recommend the White Bear at the Black Sheep Brewery, which is signposted from the route.

I can't think of anything opening late up Wensleydale or Garsdale. Stock up at Ripon!



Day 4

You're on your own as it's the wrong side of the hills for me, but there are loads of places to get grub, and you can nip into Kirkby Lonsdale if you're desperate. I would point out that one rider (Paul Cre) rode straight through on Sunday night last year, and at the time I thought "What a fucking idiot", but after dealing with the crazy trucks on the A683 round Caton, then Monday morning rush hour in Lancaster, I kinda thought he might have done the right thing.

I'll be helping at Sedbergh at some point, anyway, so I'll hopefully get to point and laugh see you lot. As ESL points out, there's a massive Spar at the western end of Sedbergh which you'll pass on day 1 at your left - great for grabbing any pocket food. EDIT: it opens 7 till 9, so it mightn't be open for many of you when you pass.

*They may not have a stamp

I've now split mine up. Hope it all makes sense, but caveat randonneur (as ever). Have a good ride, you lot, I'll see you at Sedbergh.

Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #848 on: July 06, 2017, 01:39:28 pm »
One very useful shop is Spar at Troutbeck Bridge, between Winderemere and Ambelside. It's passed North and South on the first day. They do coffee, and one rider used the hot water from the coffee machine for a Pot Noodle.

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Re: Mille Pennines 3rd July 2020
« Reply #849 on: July 06, 2017, 02:07:26 pm »
I will be at the Wetherspoons under the tower at about 730pm if anyone else is there I will be the goon in a cycling cap and shorts. PBP 2011 shirt.
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