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we were only just into the 1980s
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there was not a single person in a wheelchair or with any obvious disability

At the time, mainstream schools were under no obligation to take them.  They could literally just refuse, and normally did.  No doubt Barakta will be along soon with a citation and/or anecdote.

Indeed. The primary school I went to in the late 80s was considered to be fairly 'out there' in having a special needs class. One class of about 20 children covering reception to year 6. It had an eclectic mix of children with different disabilities who were unable to join the main classes. A few of them did part time in a main class, which I think was the point in not sending them to a specialist school. One of my friends in primary school did use a wheelchair some of the time and it was very much considered normal by everyone. It was a bit of a revelation to find out that this was not the norm in other schools.

hellymedic

  • Just do it!
Jan and I have booked a week in Pembrokeshire from next Saturday. It's at the same lovely airbnb we stayed at in April last year, in Llanychaer, not far from Fishguard. I decided yesterday to break the journey there in Chepstow, because 300 miles in one day is too much for me. We will probably do similar on the way back, but haven't booked anywhere yet.

I shall take my e-bike and have a bit of a potter, but not for more than 10 or 15 miles at a time, I think.

That’s rather close to where we we went as teens, as our London next-door neighbours had a cottage halfway up Mynydd Dinas, between Fishguard and Newport.

Enjoy!

hellymedic

  • Just do it!
we were only just into the 1980s
[...]
there was not a single person in a wheelchair or with any obvious disability
At the time, mainstream schools were under no obligation to take them.  They could literally just refuse, and normally did.  No doubt Barakta will be along soon with a citation and/or anecdote.
Indeed. The primary school I went to in the late 80s was considered to be fairly 'out there' in having a special needs class. One class of about 20 children covering reception to year 6. It had an eclectic mix of children with different disabilities who were unable to join the main classes. A few of them did part time in a main class, which I think was the point in not sending them to a specialist school. One of my friends in primary school did use a wheelchair some of the time and it was very much considered normal by everyone. It was a bit of a revelation to find out that this was not the norm in other schools.
I think my Junior School had a separate class for deaf kids and I know our Leicester next-door neighbour taught in a special school for deaf children, in the mid ‘60s.

I know a boy down the road had spina bifida and was a wheelchair user. I can’t remember where he was schooled.

Basil

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Admission.  I'm actually not that fussed about cake.

Kim

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we were only just into the 1980s
[...]
there was not a single person in a wheelchair or with any obvious disability

At the time, mainstream schools were under no obligation to take them.  They could literally just refuse, and normally did.  No doubt Barakta will be along soon with a citation and/or anecdote.

Indeed. The primary school I went to in the late 80s was considered to be fairly 'out there' in having a special needs class. One class of about 20 children covering reception to year 6. It had an eclectic mix of children with different disabilities who were unable to join the main classes. A few of them did part time in a main class, which I think was the point in not sending them to a specialist school. One of my friends in primary school did use a wheelchair some of the time and it was very much considered normal by everyone. It was a bit of a revelation to find out that this was not the norm in other schools.

Through luck rather than judgement, I started my school career in 1985 in a school which had a deaf unit.  I'm not entirely sure how integrated the deaf kids were, but I remember seeing them in assemblies and at break times, at least.  The above-average level of Clue amongst the staff would prove useful as the chronic middle ear infections set in...

A year and a bit later, I moved to a smaller school in a nice middle-class (and shockingly white) village, and didn't see a disabled pupil again until secondary.

barakta

  • Bastard lovechild of Yomiko Readman and Johnny 5
ObCitations and Anecdotes  :smug:

There have been various laws about right to education but most of them have been crap or poorly implemented. Often disabled children were segregated in "special schools" which historically had very very poor standards of education. I know someone my age (so in education 1984 to 2002ish) who has 1 GCSE from a Deaf school, he's a very bright man but his English is appalling and while he had good access to BSL, no one ever helped him make use of that in education.

In 1979 Baroness Warnock published a report that showed how poor disability education was in England and Wales. The findings got put into the 1981 Education Act where there were increased (if not foolproof) rights to a mainstream education if you were disabled.

What that meant was that many kids prior to about 1982-3 had no legal right to force councils to support them in mainstream schools. Even with that Act, My parents had to fight for me to be mainstreamed even though I only needed 1-2 hours a week of Teacher of the Deaf support and later assistance with writing and a radio aid. My parents also had to fight for me to get a statement of special educational needs which my council policies said were mandatory for all severe/profoundly deaf children. My council just claimed my speech was too good and tried to regrade my deafness as "moderately severe" which is inaccurate but still contaminates my fucking medical records to this day. I didn't need much support, mostly Deaf Awareness, 1-2 hours of Teacher of the Deaf a week (I'd been having 3 hours a week since I was a year old), and later a radio aid and some help with typing. The LEA didn't help with typing long term, that was my junior school who did that until we could argue them into it.

There have always been schools with specialist units, it could make them extra money and certainly some schools/teachers cared passionately about inclusion for at least some disabled children. In some ways a unit is the best of both worlds, enough children with a similar disability not to be The Weird Disabled Kid, while also being around nondisabled children but they are not always well integrated and my mum (a teacher of the deaf in later worklife) worked in one where they took LEA money to build deaf stuff, then quietly stole it for school stuff, making it unsuitable for the deaf children... The deaf children were very poorly integrated while the head teacher loudly bragged about them at all times. No one would hold them to account for this theft and bullshit and they didn't like my mum making noises about it.

I still only remember a handful of visibly disabled children during my education 1-2 in primary (and that was a medium sized, well regarded and inclusive place) and maybe 10 or so in secondary which was not disability friendly at all. There were several more with stuff like dyslexia but that wasn't really recognised all that much and autism/ADHD were unheard of - they were just "naughty" "weird" kids.

Legally, there was no way to enforce adjustments in education until 2002 in the UK. There was no legal right to go to university and a guy called Alan Hurst has written several books with case study after case study of disabled people refused a place at university citing everything from health and safety through to no accommodation or even "we don't have a university nurse to look after them" about someone who didn't need medical attention. You couldn't litigate against being refused a place at uni till 2002. Many universities cited the Disability Discrimination Act cos they'd promised to voluntarily do access in exchange for lobbying against actual enforceability.

Even now the school system is shit, EHCPs are awful, LEAs don't have enough money and the whole process is slow, bureaucratic, cumbersome and the litigation is limited for pre-16s and post 16 you're up against universities which are known to be horrific and nasty litigants.

citoyen

  • Occasionally rides a bike
We must be a generation or two into never having encountered a radio with radio buttons...

A colleague was recently trying to build a form and having trouble with one of the questions that required users to select a single option.

I had to explain to her that she needed to use radio buttons rather than check boxes, which led to a discussion about why they are called radio buttons. She isn't that much younger than me but claimed to have never seen a radio with radio buttons.
"The future's all yours, you lousy bicycles."

rogerzilla

  • When n+1 gets out of hand
I remember push-button car radios from the 70s (Motorola, usually) had rectangular buttons, but big old CRT TVs had buttons that looked and functioned like GUI radio buttons.  It took quite a push to select the channel.
Hard work sometimes pays off in the end, but laziness ALWAYS pays off NOW.

Beardy

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I have a vivid memory of me exploring the buttons on a neighbours car radio back in the 60’s. Cars were fairly rare back then. And car radios extremely rare so this was a prized possession. Being of inquisitive mind I wondered what would happen if all the buttons were pressed simultaneously. Nothing good I can report and our neighbour was VERY upset.
For every complex problem in the world, there is a simple and easily understood solution that’s wrong.

citoyen

  • Occasionally rides a bike
Being of inquisitive mind I wondered what would happen if all the buttons were pressed simultaneously. Nothing good I can report and our neighbour was VERY upset.

Oops!  ;D
"The future's all yours, you lousy bicycles."

Beardy

  • Shedist
In my defence, I had been left unsupervised AND on that occasion I was still a very small. Although I’m no longer a small, leaving me unsupervised remains inadvisable  ;D
For every complex problem in the world, there is a simple and easily understood solution that’s wrong.

My MkI Ford Granada (Sweeny stylee) had a Blaupunkt radio with square pushbuttons ( LW & MW).

T42

  • Apprentice geezer
I still have a 1970's Blaupunkt + speakers on top of a cupboard in the workshop. Can't remember whether it has buttons or not, but it was bloody hard to tune. Also still have the motorised aerial that used to grow out of the left wing of the car when I turned it on.
I've dusted off all those old bottles and set them up straight

Kim

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Also still have the motorised aerial that used to grow out of the left wing of the car when I turned it on.

I was inordinately impressed by my grandpa's Volvo having one of those when I was small.  Meant you didn't need one of these:



(Radio buttons visible on the right.)

IIRC the buttons could be pulled and rotated to tune the radio, OK kids tuning a radio is ...

Tim Hall

  • Victoria is my queen
A car radio* in one of my motors from BITD had the twiddly knob, move indicator using Cleverly Arranged String, kind of tuning.

One day the string broke, so I had to remember three complete turns from the start for radio 4, plus a half for BBC Radio London, plus a smidgeon for Capital Radio.

*it also played cassettes and one day caught fire, leaving a scorch mark on a home-taped-off-the-LP cassette of Mr Springsteen's "Nebraska".
There are two ways you can get exercise out of a bicycle: you can
"overhaul" it, or you can ride it.  (Jerome K Jerome)

Mr Larrington

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The wireless in the Fast-Appreciating Future Classic looks like this:


A wireless, yesterday by Mr Larrington, on Flickr

And it’s a Rubbish.
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rogerzilla

  • When n+1 gets out of hand
This is useless unless you live right next to a railway station, but is rather fabulous all the same.

https://ukdepartureboards.co.uk/store/product/desktop-departures/?desktop=true
Hard work sometimes pays off in the end, but laziness ALWAYS pays off NOW.

Mr Larrington

  • A bit ov a lyv wyr by slof standirds
  • Custard Wallah
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Charlie the Builder, still doing Mr von Brandenburg's drum studio, has just won one of these: https://www.ducati.com/gb/en/bikes/diavel/diavel-v4

I believe the canonical response is “GIT!!”, though possibly in a larger font and/or with more exclamation marks.
External Transparent Wall Inspection Operative & Mayor of Mortagne-au-Perche
Satisfying the Bloodlust of the Masses in Peacetime

Regulator

  • That's Councillor Regulator to you...
My Private Eye subscription is due at the end of the month.  It’s going up by 27p per issue (an 18.8% increase) but still a bargain I reckon. 
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I completely agree with Reg.

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T42

  • Apprentice geezer
My Private Eye subscription is due at the end of the month.  It’s going up by 27p per issue (an 18.8% increase) but still a bargain I reckon.

Just spent a happy half-hour in their covers library: https://www.private-eye.co.uk/covers
I've dusted off all those old bottles and set them up straight

Tim Hall

  • Victoria is my queen
Charlie the Builder, still doing Mr von Brandenburg's drum studio, has just won one of these: https://www.ducati.com/gb/en/bikes/diavel/diavel-v4

I believe the canonical response is “GIT!!”, though possibly in a larger font and/or with more exclamation marks.
Presumably being a drum studio, it may have a tamborine. For that Ducati dry clutch sound.

https://youtu.be/uhYnAeKiTq4?si=AtyErFOM4EuhuuVt

There are two ways you can get exercise out of a bicycle: you can
"overhaul" it, or you can ride it.  (Jerome K Jerome)

Mr Larrington

  • A bit ov a lyv wyr by slof standirds
  • Custard Wallah
    • Mr Larrington's Automatic Diary
Said studio used to be a garage, meaning that Mr von B's Bonneville T120 has spent the winter blocking the path to the front door :D  Eventually there will be a separate Sheds for it to live in.
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Satisfying the Bloodlust of the Masses in Peacetime

citoyen

  • Occasionally rides a bike
The road I live on is closed at the moment - emergency gas main works. It's been closed for nearly two weeks now. It makes it very difficult to drive into town but it's bliss for cycling to and from the station (cyclists and pedestrians can get round the closure).

Of course, despite signs at regular intervals every couple of hundred metres all the way from Canterbury, there are still some people who seem to think the road closure doesn't apply to them. Not a big deal when it's just a car or van but last night as I cycled past the closed section there was a bloody great artic parked by the barriers with a glum-looking driver. He had to reverse back up the road for about a mile before he could get to a point where he could turn round. I'm just glad he didn't try to use our driveway - it would have been carnage.

Bizarrely, there was also a horse loose in the road (other side of the roadworks from the lorry, fortunately).

This morning, on my way to the station, I passed a woman wandering along the road with a lead and a bag of carrots...
"The future's all yours, you lousy bicycles."

T42

  • Apprentice geezer
MrsT forwarded me an ad for a "well-ventilated" parrot cage. Gee.
I've dusted off all those old bottles and set them up straight