Scottish Mesh and Perms

[Noodley]

In another place now long-forgotten, a thread appeared re Scottish Perms...which developed into discussions of a Mesh (Scottish Mesh = Tartan: that was Eck's "joke" and I accept no responsibility for it!  )

I am progressing some ideas with Mr "AAA" Snook and Mr "Perm" Ward and thought now would be a good time to resurrect the matter:

Mr Eck has some Mesh information which he may share (Comrie features prominently I believe  ).

So what about it all ye YACFers Ecosse?! 

[MSeries]

wasn't tartan a device invented by the English to keep the Scots in check

[Noodley]

wasn't tartan a device invented by the English to keep the Scots in check

No, that was whisky.

[Cyclops]

So what about it all ye YACFers Ecosse?! 

Are you wanting us to say it's a good idea or volunteer to do something?

Yes to either

[Noodley]

Are you wanting us to say it's a good idea or volunteer to do something?
Yes to either

Well, I'm hoping for some Mesh input and possibly to encourage a few more people to look at organising Perms - or maybe helping me out with Perm ideas?  Not "wanting" anything in particular just trying to get a bit of interest going...

[Pingu]

In another place now long-forgotten, a thread appeared re Scottish Perms...which developed into discussions of a Mesh (Scottish Mesh = Tartan: that was Eck's "joke" and I accept no responsibility for it!  )

I am progressing some ideas with Mr "AAA" Snook and Mr "Perm" Ward and thought now would be a good time to resurrect the matter:

Mr Eck has some Mesh information which he may share (Comrie features prominently I believe  ).

So what about it all ye YACFers Ecosse?! 

I might be interested if I knew what any of that means  

Though I have grasped the concept of tartan  

[Cyclops]

Well I have got a few ideas for perms. The Honest Toun features somewhat heavily as you'd expect

[frere yacker]

Although not living in Scotland, I have some DIY permanent routes in Scotland.  Essentially out of Dundee, typically up to Loch Tay or Loch Tummel.  I've also plotted out some routes (for example a 600 up to Ullapool and back) and a 1000 that meanders up to and along the north coast.

[Noodley]

I might be interested if I knew what any of that means  

Eck knows more about Mesh than I do, so I'll allow him to explain.  It is fairly simple but explaining it in simple terms is beyond me as I am a bit of a waffle (or so I am told - I though I was thorough  )

I have viewed some of your bikely routes and I believe some may be permable - there is one of yourt routes which, if we/you/I/us can get an info control will definitely probably maybe have AAA points.

So far I have 2 potential routes for AAA Perms...a 100 and a 200.  I have communicated with Mr AAA and sent an e-mail to John Ward this evening to progress the 200 (ok, 200 and a bit) route and plan to ride the 100 route in July as it will require an info control...

[eck]

Mr Eck has some Mesh information which he may share (Comrie features prominently I believe  ).

So what about it all ye YACFers Ecosse?! 

I might be interested if I knew what any of that means 
:

I'm not sure what it's all about either, but I seem to have been inveigled into something. I've put together a few DIY perms, mostly 200s - NOT ALL OF WHICH GO TO COMRIE. 

My picture of constructing a mesh involved a big map, lots of coloured pins and a long piece of string. There is some stuff on the AUK website, under Permanents - with a tantalising glimpse of such a diagram under the Midlands Mesh.

Including Comrie (the local grocer's shop has just the biggest rubber stamp for your card), I seem to have about 30 control points, from Aberdeenshire to Darkest Fife.

Could "youse guys" have a look at what's already on the AUK site and see if it's something we could add to? I'd be happy(ish) to co-ordinate it, once we agree what "it" is. 

But don't ask me about AAA points. That's Noodley's fetish specialist subject.

EDIT: is this meant to be the explanation Noodley has just waffled on about?

[Noodley]

Although not living in Scotland, I have some DIY permanent routes in Scotland.

Yes, there are loads of DIYs.  It would be great to get the distances into a Mesh and maybe get a few of them as Perms if possible.  

[MSeries]

Can't you just send the legs to Frankie to put in the DIY calculator ?

[Noodley]

Can't you just send the legs to Frankie to put in the DIY calculator ?

I don't know. 

Can you explain?  (sorry, I never said I knew what I was on about...)

[valkyrie]

There must be a lot of data already available on distances from Dalmeny/SQ. If we can agree a leg from the SQ 24hr garage to Cyclop's favourite control in Musselburgh then that would probably give us a good start on a fair chunk of the East Coast/Central Belt.

Personally I'd love to be able to do a 200km variant on the 3 Glens Explorer as a Perm, but I think getting a control for Common of Dunning would be difficult. Sample info questions could be "what colour are the trees?" and "is it raining?"

[MSeries]

Well, Francis Cooke developed a place on the AUK website that allows one to choose a town and it lists towns that are a certain distance away. They can be clicked on and a route developed. I have submitted legs to it, so has Chris S. I believe these are now 'approved' so all one has to do is submit them to the DIY organiser. I know you don't want DIYs as such but essentially it's a mesh.

Here's the link

[GlasgowDave]

Personally I'd love to be able to do a 200km variant on the 3 Glens Explorer as a Perm, but I think getting a control for Common of Dunning would be difficult. Sample info questions could be "what colour are the trees?" and "is it raining?"

Or "Do they murder witches here?"

that's about all I remember from a particularly wet 3 Glens Explorer

What about the wonderful west(coast)?

[sg37409]

Duncan Peets' White Knuckle 200. (well nearly)

Thats gonna be my DIY submission to Lucy, with the added bonus of the 2*Crow rd over the campsies too.
Milton of Campsie (takes in the Campsies)
Aberyfoyle
Killin (takes in the Dukes pass and Glen Ogle)
South Loch Tay to Kenmore
Amulree (glen quaich)
Crieff, Muthill (military rd to)
Dunblane & Doune
Back over Kippen and the
Campsies again, to home. (just over 200)

If it validates OK, I will offer as a perm.
Need to get myself a GPS and then can offer AAA for the fetishists.
This posting is emboldened by a beer or 2, and so might well not happen.

[Noodley]

I know you don't want DIYs as such but essentially it's a mesh.

<sorry for being dumb> So, is the DIY planner an add-on to the mesh or different?  I thought the mesh thingy was there to allow easy access to validated distances...maybe, and most likely, I am being stupid.  

[eck]

Or "Do they murder witches here?"

Apparently they do did

[GlasgowDave]

Duncan Peets' White Knuckle 200. (well nearly)

Thats gonna be my DIY submission to Lucy, with the added bonus of the 2*Crow rd over the campsies too.
Milton of Campsie (takes in the Campsies)

Do you get extra points for avoiding big Als?

[MSeries]

I know you don't want DIYs as such but essentially it's a mesh.

<sorry for being dumb> So, is the DIY planner an add-on to the mesh or different?  I thought the mesh thingy was there to allow easy access to validated distances...maybe, and most likely, I am being stupid. 

It's for DIYs but allows easy access to validated distances. I understand your confusion. I can't see the need for both. Perhaps some folk can't be arsed or don't have the technology to work out distances for themselves. I understand DIYs are much newer than the meshes.

NB this debate was had when the calculator was first introduced

[GlasgowDave]

Or "Do they murder witches here?"

Apparently they do did

That's weird, I thought that witches were hung/strangled in Scotland. My history books lied.

[Noodley]

Duncan Peets' White Knuckle 200. (well nearly)

I have a list of Duncan's (stupid boy!) Andrew Manwell's Hilly Highland Grimpeurs/Super Grimpeurs (supplied by fin IIRC) but they are proving difficult for me to Perm as they  would require a lot of info controls and some of them cover the same route in different directions.

[Noodley]

I can't see the need for both.

Neither can I.

I shall start a "kill the DIY calculator" thread tomorrow 

[eck]

It's for DIYs but allows easy access to validated distances. I understand your confusion. I can't see the need for both. Perhaps some folk can't be arsed or don't have the technology to work out distances for themselves. I understand DIYs are much newer than the meshes.

NB this debate was had when the calculator was first introduced

Agreed, I can't see the need for both either: I like the mesh concept - like this: http://www.principia.demon.co.uk/Permanents/epp_north.pdf
, not unlike the pins and sting approach: I think it's much more functional than just  a long list of controls. And that's what I had in mind - but I haven't a clue how to present that information without the aforementioned pins and string. 
Anyone?