Author Topic: Bye Lance (Read 286828 times)

vorsprung · « **Reply #1775 on:** 12 November, 2013, 09:07:11 pm »

Quote from: citoyen on 11 November, 2013, 09:43:37 pm

Quote from: vorsprung on 11 November, 2013, 06:26:47 pm
2) It's clear that the actual physical doping that LA and his team were doing was just the same as everyone else, no more, no less.

I would say the exact opposite - from what I've read, it seems clear that he was doing considerably more than ..

You've seen that chart of the top ten finishers of the TdF in the Lance years. Pretty much everyone has a doping conviction, mainly for stuff like EPO and blood doping, like Lance
Winners of the Velta and the Giro have been done for blood doping and EPO, just like Lance

It's almost impossible to list riders that have not been associated with doping at some point during their career

LittleWheelsandBig · « **Reply #1776 on:** 12 November, 2013, 09:28:12 pm »

As always, there are degrees of doping. It is pretty clear that Armstrong was running hotter than most. Having the UCI turn a blind eye helps a rider get away with doping.

There is still the argument that the degree of punishment should reflect the rewards. It can't be argued that Armstrong wasn't well rewarded for his doping, more so than any of his contemporaries.

Hot Flatus · « **Reply #1777 on:** 12 November, 2013, 10:06:56 pm »

So why did Contador get the same ban length for cheating to a TdF win as as anyone else gets regardless of their pacing?

LittleWheelsandBig · « **Reply #1778 on:** 12 November, 2013, 10:30:23 pm »

Because the UCI got shamed into banning him. They were trying to hide the positive and the Spanish tried to clear him after the positive became public.

Hot Flatus · « **Reply #1779 on:** 12 November, 2013, 10:40:37 pm »

Think you've missed the point.

You are saying that the punishment should reflect the rewards. I'm pointing out that multi gt winner Contador got the same 2 year ban as any other doper gets. Somebody doping and placing 198th in the TdF would also have got 2 years. AC won...and got 2 years.

LittleWheelsandBig · « **Reply #1780 on:** 12 November, 2013, 10:54:32 pm »

Considering that the UCI wanted to give him zero years, 2 years is harsh punishment.

The UCI has been playing favourites in determining doping detection and the associated punishments. Particular riders and teams have been particularly protected. Armstrong even got a US federal investigation dropped. Only an outsider organisation like USADA was eventually able to punish Armstrong.

Rich753 · « **Reply #1781 on:** 13 November, 2013, 09:24:43 pm »

Fotheringham calls it pretty well in my book http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2013/nov/12/lance-armstrong-media-offensive-doomed?commentpage=2

And WADA head Fahey says "As far as I'm concerned it's done and dusted. Armstrong did what he did. We all know what that is. He did not co-operate, he did not defend the charges that Usada put out there last year and he was dealt with in a proper process. " Which is right on the money.

Biff · « **Reply #1782 on:** 17 November, 2013, 10:54:20 pm »

A meeting I doubt many people would have foreseen. Sorry about the source.

http://tinyurl.com/onqom85

Jakob · « **Reply #1783 on:** 17 November, 2013, 11:07:25 pm »

Well, it matches with the media offensive mentioned above.
I just started reading "The Wheelmen". Only just got started, but it was clearly organized at a team level.

Hot Flatus · « **Reply #1784 on:** 18 November, 2013, 12:17:52 pm »

He dropped a biggie in that interview.

He said Hein told him to cover up the 99 pos with a backdated TUE

tiermat · « **Reply #1785 on:** 18 November, 2013, 12:48:46 pm »

Quote from: Biff on 17 November, 2013, 10:54:20 pm

A meeting I doubt many people would have foreseen. Sorry about the source.

http://tinyurl.com/onqom85

Thanks for that, I think the last line is the first truthful thing I have heard reported from him.

If he was clean in 2008/9 then that explains why he got his ass kicked, and an indication of just what he would have been had he ridden clean all those years ago.

The Hein revelation is interesting, too.

spesh · « **Reply #1786 on:** 18 November, 2013, 05:57:18 pm »

For those who don't wish to pollute their browser cache, here's the Velonation report:

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/15836/Armstrong-implicates-Verbruggen-Ferrari-for-first-time-over-doping-matters.aspx

LittleWheelsandBig · « **Reply #1787 on:** 18 November, 2013, 06:10:39 pm »

Should be quite a bit more to squirm out of the UCI.

Hot Flatus · « **Reply #1788 on:** 18 November, 2013, 06:25:17 pm »

Old Larncey boy is playing his cards carefully and strategically

Tewdric · « **Reply #1789 on:** 18 November, 2013, 06:46:48 pm »

I'd love to have listened in on the call from Hein that must have followed that little revelation...

This is going to get deliciously messy!

Lordy · « **Reply #1790 on:** 18 November, 2013, 08:35:05 pm »

Time to buy your ringside seat tickets, I think the fun is about to start (at last). I'm starting to feel that there's some genuine hope for the future

LEE · « **Reply #1791 on:** 19 November, 2013, 08:27:22 am »

I can't help feeling that this will involve Rebekah Brooks at some point.

spesh · « **Reply #1792 on:** 20 November, 2013, 02:44:49 pm »

Quote from: Lordy on 18 November, 2013, 08:35:05 pm

Time to buy your ringside seat tickets, I think the fun is about to start (at last). I'm starting to feel that there's some genuine hope for the future

The plot thickens...

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/15850/Mapei-boss-claims-Verbruggen-threatened-to-disqualify-his-team-after-he-complained-about-doping.aspx

Jakob · « **Reply #1793 on:** 20 November, 2013, 11:03:18 pm »

Jeebuz. Just got up to the bit in the book where he gets cancer.
If just half of it is true, he's a class A douchebag. I mean, I heard the stories about him being unliked and arrogant in his early career, but I had no idea it was to this extent.

citoyen · « **Reply #1794 on:** 21 November, 2013, 11:02:56 am »

Armstrong settles out of court...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/25028290

The immediate future does not look good for his bank balance. #schadenfreude

Bledlow · « **Reply #1795 on:** 21 November, 2013, 12:28:16 pm »

Quote from: Paul Metcalfe on 19 November, 2013, 08:27:22 am

I can't help feeling that this will involve Rebekah Brooks at some point.

Oh no. She hasn't shagged Lance, as well, has she?

spesh · « **Reply #1796 on:** 23 November, 2013, 10:01:34 pm »

And to take your minds off some mental cinema best left on the cutting-room floor...

It looks like Johan Bruyneel is pre-empting the much-delayed arbitration hearing:

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/15870/Bruyneel-walking-away-from-the-sport-Ive-made-a-decision-that-Im-pretty-much-done-with-cycling.aspx

Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

shyumu · « **Reply #1797 on:** 25 November, 2013, 07:57:30 pm »

Not sure if it is a travel issue, but I could only find the cached version.

David Martin · « **Reply #1798 on:** 25 November, 2013, 10:58:24 pm »

This just popped up..
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZiOj0dCIAAcX0S.jpg:large

Ham · « **Reply #1799 on:** 26 November, 2013, 12:03:25 am »

Quote from: David Martin on 25 November, 2013, 10:58:24 pm

This just popped up..
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZiOj0dCIAAcX0S.jpg:large

Not sure exactly why I bother finding this stuff, but if anyone is interested that quote was on this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzHmhgjL2pc about a year ago. The remaining comments are the ones left over when the bottom half of the Internet floated up an inch or two.

Author Topic: Bye Lance (Read 286828 times)

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