Author Topic: Southend Cycle Town - part 2  (Read 162349 times)

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #775 on: September 30, 2010, 09:20:05 am »
Some of rode along the new farcility at the end of last weekend's FNRttC.  I couldn't help but think that Southend could now use a new slogan:
Southend Council — Redefining 'crap'

 

Not quite as well as Flatus though.   ;D
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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #776 on: September 30, 2010, 03:27:25 pm »
My mistake. The shrubbery removal is nothing to do with safety issues, it is part of the sea defence renewal:

Dog walkers worried work is harming wildlife in Gunners Park (From Echo)


I realise we need sea defences, but I can't say I'm happy at the impact this will have on the nature reserve.

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #777 on: September 30, 2010, 03:28:05 pm »
More Greenway work, Springfield to Southbourne Grove, starts.


Springfield Drive build outs.


The bollards now have signs (are they facing the right way?)


New barriers at Prittlewell chase.


Roolz and destructions. No mention of dogs!

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Gravel is still loose!  ::-)

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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #778 on: October 01, 2010, 06:46:18 pm »
Noticed today work has started on the inadequate door zone by Adventure Island. I seem to recall one of the safety audit issues with this was it wasn't wide enough. It doesn't look any wider now, just a different colour tarmac instead of hatching.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/EDz0sBY0Xvo&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/EDz0sBY0Xvo&rel=1</a>



And the word is that if the new red line does not work then they will put in low concrete bollards similar to kerb stones. Why didnt they just build out the kerb in the first place, it would have saved a lot of time and wasted money.

The councils parking enforcment contracters were supposedly going to start ticketing cars mounths ago if they were parked over the line. It's still not happening though because the council won't start parking enforcement until they have put up signs telling people how to park properly.
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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #779 on: October 07, 2010, 07:42:49 pm »
Noticed today work has started on the inadequate door zone by Adventure Island. I seem to recall one of the safety audit issues with this was it wasn't wide enough. It doesn't look any wider now, just a different colour tarmac instead of hatching.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/EDz0sBY0Xvo&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/EDz0sBY0Xvo&rel=1</a>

I thought that was a new bus lane!!!   ;D
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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #780 on: October 07, 2010, 11:22:00 pm »
Oh, fecking hell no!    >:( No, no, no, no, no!

Thorpe Hall Avenue  :-[ :-[

I despair!

Although I'm swamped at work and don't have much time at all now for cycle campaigning or chatting in here, I have not been able to ignore this and other related comment I've heard re this scheme, coupled with my own feelings on the plans I've been supplied.

The consultation closes tomorrow, so I have just sent this email to Rob Tinlin (Southend Chief Exec), the three ward Councillors, and cc'd the Evening Echo.  I haven't bothered contacting the Cycle Town project staff as I'm still awaiting any form of response to my previous emails (as usual) despite them promising a good two way communication between us in order to work constructively on cycling in the town.

Quote
Dear Sirs,

Please do NOT go ahead with the plans for cycle lanes in Thorpe Hall
Avenue due to the below reasons.

These plans are based on the failed implementation of cycle lanes in
Prittlewell Chase:-
 - The parking bays are of insufficient width to cater for all vehicles
to park in.  Therefore they intrude into the door buffer zone.

 - the 0.5m buffer zone, whilst of minimum recommended guideline width,
does not prevent vehicle doors being opened into the cycle lane
 - the 0.5m buffer zone implemented in Prittlewell Chase in reality is
less than 0.5m in width.

 - the 1.5m cycle lane, whilst of the minimum recommended width, allows
no cyclist room to manoeuvre should there be a hazard in their path; be
it an opening vehicle door, pothole, or other unforeseen situation.
 - As proven in Prittlewell Chase the painted cycle lane restricts the
cyclist into maintaining a dedicated course which may not be the safest
route.  The Prittlewell Chase lane in reality is not as wide as the
published 1.5m, in some cases reducing to just 0.43m!

 - the 3m traffic lane may be sufficient to allow safe passage of small
vehicles (cars) but is not of sufficient width to cater for all vehicles
such as buses, HGVs, refuse vehicles, etc
 - on Prittlewell Chase these wider vehicles intrude into the cycle lane
on a regular basis, putting cyclists in danger.  Worse, now that drivers
can clearly see that there are dedicated areas for cyclists and
motorists, they neither slow down when passing cyclists nor give them
sufficient passing distance.  Cyclists are no longer able to use their
bikeability training and control the surrounding traffic.  It is
extremely alarming to be passed by a large vehicle travelling at 30mph
just two inches from your right elbow.

I am more than willing to meet on site in Prittlewell Chase to discuss
these statements and to demonstrate why the Thorpe Hall Avenue scheme
should not copy this.

The plans as proposed only provide for the straight carriageways, and
abandon cyclists in the areas of greatest danger, namely major
junctions.  e.g. at the roundabout with Acacia Drive no facilities are
provided; cyclists travelling east on Southchurch Boulevard and wanting
to turn right onto Thorpe Hall Avenue via the roundabout are not catered
for; at the junction with Thorpe Esplanade the cycle facility is
inconveniently passed from the carriageway to the pavement; between the
seafront to Woodgrange Drive there are rarely any parked cars so the
effect will be to have a two lane carriageway with a cycle lane in
between the two lanes.

It has been demonstrated in the past that introducing cycle lanes
increase the speed of passing traffic and reduces the passing distance
that drivers give to cyclists.  A situation now experienced in
Prittlewell Chase, which greatly increases the danger to cyclists.
(http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopModules/Articles/ArticlesView.aspx?TabID=0&ItemID=290&mid=13641)  In a meeting I had with Paul Mathieson & Neil Hoskins of the cycle town project both stated awareness of this research and also that other Councils are removing lanes as a result, therefore I am disappointed that the same flawed designs are being followed in a town claiming to have a Cycle Town status.

A better option would be to follow the original strategy as agreed
between the project and the Cycle Group, namely to use cycle logos
(diagram 1057) on the carriageway instead of dedicated lanes.  These
would allow cyclists to choose the safest road position, as determined
by the excellent bikeability training provided by the Council's staff,
whilst also alerting drivers that they should expect cyclists on the
road in the vicinity.

I have cc'd The Evening Echo since their editorial of 24/08/2010
commented that cyclists should put forward proposals instead of just
complaining.  In November 2008 local cyclists put forward three options
for Western Esplanade, only for the Council to fail to consult further,
to apparently ignore our options, to completely fail to address the core
requirements that we stated cyclists needed in this area, and as a
result to implement a scheme that has made cycling in that area more
dangerous than it was before.  Please do not repeat the mistake of
ignoring the cycling community input.

Kind regards,

Nuttycyclist,
On behalf of CTC, the National Cyclists' Organisation CTC Homepage - CTC the UK's national cyclists' organisation


With regards the Prittlewell Chase scheme I am aware that some people, such as Domestique, have no major qualms about the scheme but do know that vehicles intrude into it; I trust that my balanced comments and proposal above do not go against these views.  I have tried to remain factually focussed and with the needs of all cyclists in mind, be it from the novice to the experienced and from young to old.

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #781 on: October 07, 2010, 11:35:07 pm »
Highlights from last nights cycle forum meeting.

...... Neil Hoskins assures us that the loose top surface is only temporary. The loose stuff should bed in or be swept aside after a few weeks of use leaving a solid surface. Part of the reason for choosing this surface was to increase the noise of tyres and footsteps on a shared path (peds can hear a cyclist or other peds approaching from behind which is probably a good idea in an unlit muggers paradise).
.....


Wish I'd had the chance to be there instead of slaving away to pay the mortgage.


Errr....    if it was chosen deliberately then why is it only temporary?   Either it remains loose, crunchy and warns pedestrians that a cyclist has just lost control and fallen off, or it is swept aside and provides a good cycling surface that is silent.

Kind regards,

Mr Confused.

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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #782 on: October 07, 2010, 11:40:41 pm »
The worst cycle lanes I have seen are in Hamlet Court Road, near the junction of Canewdon Road.

This is how it used to be. The cycle lane has been shoehorned between the parking are on the left and the land for traffic.

Bear in mind that the "central reservation" is actually a parking area.
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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #783 on: October 07, 2010, 11:48:24 pm »
Maintenance. Winter maintenance (i.e. gritting of the cycle paths). This was discussed but the overall impression that we were left with was that it is probably not going to happen. The reasoning is that a major cycle path like the eastern/western esplanade gets a maximum of 500 cyclists a day on a sunny summers day. On a freezing icy winters day they expect only a handful of the hardiest cyclists to still be out and about. Basically the argument is that the numbers do not stack up to warrant spending the time and money on gritting the cycle paths.


I note from last week's Standard Recorder that Southend have announced that they have stockpiled "super salt grit" in preparation for the winter.  This is Thawrox Plus, and is mixed with molasses to stick to the road surface much longer.

errr....


Isn't this the stuff that cyclists and motorcyclists have been commenting on because it makes the non-icy roads more slippery than anything other than pure ice?
UK bikers skate on sticky grit • The Register

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #784 on: October 08, 2010, 05:17:20 pm »
The worst cycle lanes I have seen are in Hamlet Court Road, near the junction of Canewdon Road.

Bear in mind that the "central reservation" is actually a parking area.

I always thought it wasnt a parking area  :-\
I am sure there was an incident some years ago when everyone who was parked in the central reservation was given tickets  :-\
Despite that being on the doorstep, I really dont know for certain though.
The filter lane though, well that sucks and isnt used by me   :(

I also have doubts about what the proposed route is going to achieve.
Tbh I am getting t the point when whatever the council and other big employers in the town really dont care so long as car drivers are kept happy.

Clandy

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #785 on: October 09, 2010, 09:28:17 pm »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/nySs1cEq5rs&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/nySs1cEq5rs&rel=1</a>..?

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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #786 on: October 09, 2010, 09:30:42 pm »
The worst cycle lanes I have seen are in Hamlet Court Road, near the junction of Canewdon Road.

Bear in mind that the "central reservation" is actually a parking area.

I always thought it wasnt a parking area  :-\
I am sure there was an incident some years ago when everyone who was parked in the central reservation was given tickets  :-\
Despite that being on the doorstep, I really dont know for certain though.
The filter lane though, well that sucks and isnt used by me   :(

When I went to pick Dez up from Westcliff Station last Saturday night, it was full of parked cars. I don't go there very often though so that could just have been Saturday night.
Oh, Bach without any doubt. Bach every time for me.

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #787 on: October 14, 2010, 11:11:34 am »
On page five of the Echo today a piece from Flewitt says that the Thorpe Hall cycle lane won't be built. Well done Nutty et al who grinked.  :thumbsup:

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #788 on: October 14, 2010, 12:13:31 pm »
On page five of the Echo today a piece from Flewitt says that the Thorpe Hall cycle lane won't be built.

Falls off chair in amazement.

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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #789 on: October 14, 2010, 12:40:14 pm »
'Kin 'Ell!!!!    :o
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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #790 on: October 14, 2010, 12:47:23 pm »
On page five of the Echo today a piece from Flewitt says that the Thorpe Hall cycle lane won't be built.

Falls off chair in amazement.

Having recovered, I went out and bought the paper.

I have now called for smelling salts and oxygen!





Mind you...

Quote from: Mr Flewitt in the paper
"In the future we will be looking at having pre-consultations about any schemes."

I've only been calling for that, and offering my services free of charge, for the last ten years  ::-)   Also, what's the point of the Cycle Forum that Myself, wowbagger, Fatbloke, 2_Flat_Erics, and other members of cycling organisations and the public attend?  I thought we were supposed to be part of this pre-consultation - even though we have been ignored to date...

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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #791 on: October 14, 2010, 12:53:30 pm »
On page five of the Echo today a piece from Flewitt says that the Thorpe Hall cycle lane won't be built.

Falls off chair in amazement.

How's the chair?  ;) ;) ;D

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #792 on: October 14, 2010, 03:27:30 pm »
Page 8 of today's echo has a piece on a "Tweed Ride" which will feature some vintage bikes and will set off from Southend Pier at 7pm on Friday and head for Old Leigh.


Would anybody be interested in joining me in a ride along the seafront Cycle Track from Chalkwell Shelter to Southend pier on Friday evening, starting at around 19:05?


montysboy

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #793 on: October 14, 2010, 03:31:21 pm »
Why not dress up in tweed and join in the fun of the official ride instead?

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #794 on: October 14, 2010, 03:41:53 pm »
Because I want to see what the effect of two groups of cyclists meeting each other on an underwidth path is; especially as the last of the rush hour traffic will still be going past a couple of inches from the cyclists.


I'll happily turn around and join the fun of the ride afterwards, I'm already wondering whether I can strip down the Sturmey on the Moulton tonight so that I can be on an older bike. 

I'm impressed by the rides that the Council have put on and how well they've got bums on saddles (even though cycling numbers have increased nationally during the same period).  It's just a shame that their engineering departments are undermining these efforts by building such sub standard infrastructure.

montysboy

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #795 on: October 14, 2010, 03:47:13 pm »
I've been wanting to join those rides for a long time, but have never got home form work in time - they are not at a commuter friendly time unfortunately....   :(

I am working from home this week so am wondering whether to turn up on a modern bike but just dressed in tweed - did it say that pashley's were a requirement  ;D


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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #796 on: October 14, 2010, 05:13:27 pm »
Page 8 of today's echo has a piece on a "Tweed Ride" which will feature some vintage bikes and will set off from Southend Pier at 7pm on Friday and head for Old Leigh.


Would anybody be interested in joining me in a ride along the seafront Cycle Track from Chalkwell Shelter to Southend pier on Friday evening, starting at around 19:05?



If I feel up to it I may pootle along on the 1950's BSA starrider.
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Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #797 on: October 14, 2010, 07:59:58 pm »
Because I want to see what the effect of two groups of cyclists meeting each other on an underwidth path is; especially as the last of the rush hour traffic will still be going past a couple of inches from the cyclists.




It would also be interesting to see the effect lots of white lights heading towards them on their left will have on westbound drivers...

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #798 on: October 14, 2010, 11:24:54 pm »
I'm waiting for the clocks to change, at which point on the first dark rush hour I will be testing the lighting situation I commented on way way back at the start of this thread.

e.g. Southend Cycle Town - part 2

Re: Southend Cycle Town - part 2
« Reply #799 on: October 15, 2010, 05:07:14 pm »
Page 8 of today's echo has a piece on a "Tweed Ride" which will feature some vintage bikes and will set off from Southend Pier at 7pm on Friday and head for Old Leigh.


Would anybody be interested in joining me in a ride along the seafront Cycle Track from Chalkwell Shelter to Southend pier on Friday evening, starting at around 19:05?



Bugger.   Work has got in the way.  I can't get there.